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NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022

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Father Jack Hackett said:
But, according to Chi Onwurah, they're trying to change and Mike Ashley was the Devil for making people put their hand up to go for a piss.

They simply can't separate the defence of their club and actual real life
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I’m glad the video is still online of Chi losing her shit at the Saudis in parliament before she changed her tune when they were interested in buying Newcastle and went to the first game. Shows what an absolute populist hypocrite she is.
 

jlaws said:
Just saw this reply:

"Tough one. Personally wouldn't like to see Pope, Trippier, Targett and Wilson lose"

So four of them in the side plus three in the Brazil team, including one who doesn't play for them and one has never played for the national side. Said it before and will say it again - many of them have zero football knowledge.
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f***ing hell so Saudi Utd are now England and Brazil combined 😂😂😂
 
I really don't want to get bogged down in this sponsorship debate but a couple of things to consider;

One - all of the major players have already got sponsorships with the big clubs - your Nikes, AIGs etc. so will have little interest in becoming embroiled in the toxicity of going anywhere near NUFC so their pool of potential 'major' sponsors is automatically limited, and so is the financial limits imo.

Two - KSA sponsorships. Theoretically limitless I accept - BUT - in reality being sponsored by Riyadh Realtors or Jeddah Jumbo Bombers is in reality a parochial deal. No-one outside of KSA knows or cares much about them so their reach is much smaller in terms of 'global branding'. And if the PL are doing their jobs properly every such deal will be severely limited and investigated before approval.

Just a thought.
 
ned_werby said:
I really don't want to get bogged down in this sponsorship debate but a couple of things to consider;

One - all of the major players have already got sponsorships with the big clubs - your Nikes, AIGs etc. so will have little interest in becoming embroiled in the toxicity of going anywhere near NUFC so their pool of potential 'major' sponsors is automatically limited, and so is the financial limits imo.

Two - KSA sponsorships. Theoretically limitless I accept - BUT - in reality being sponsored by Riyadh Realtors or Jeddah Jumbo Bombers is in reality a parochial deal. No-one outside of KSA knows or cares much about them so their reach is much smaller in terms of 'global branding'. And if the PL are doing their jobs properly every such deal will be severely limited and investigated before approval.

Just a thought.
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The PL will do nowt about it and I’d imagine PIF would be “encouraging” these Saudi companies to sponsor the mags
 
The hilarity when they are "forced" to sign a KSA player, like Salem Al-Dawsari ,in January after a decent WC.
 
ned_werby said:
I really don't want to get bogged down in this sponsorship debate but a couple of things to consider;

One - all of the major players have already got sponsorships with the big clubs - your Nikes, AIGs etc. so will have little interest in becoming embroiled in the toxicity of going anywhere near NUFC so their pool of potential 'major' sponsors is automatically limited, and so is the financial limits imo.

Two - KSA sponsorships. Theoretically limitless I accept - BUT - in reality being sponsored by Riyadh Realtors or Jeddah Jumbo Bombers is in reality a parochial deal. No-one outside of KSA knows or cares much about them so their reach is much smaller in terms of 'global branding'. And if the PL are doing their jobs properly every such deal will be severely limited and investigated before approval.

Just a thought.
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We're already getting £7.5m for a sleeve sponsorship deal from Noon (it's like Saudi's Amazon, apparently). I'd anticipate a deal with some Saudi company, like Saudia, or for some abstract like Vision 2030. While these deals have to be 'fair market value', it's fair to say a top half PL finish would make a £20m per year sponsorship deal 'fair'.

With regards to small reach, I'd never heard of Fun88 before our deal with them, or Astropay, Cinch, or Hollywoodbet, SBOTOP, etc.
 
ned_werby said:
I really don't want to get bogged down in this sponsorship debate but a couple of things to consider;

One - all of the major players have already got sponsorships with the big clubs - your Nikes, AIGs etc. so will have little interest in becoming embroiled in the toxicity of going anywhere near NUFC so their pool of potential 'major' sponsors is automatically limited, and so is the financial limits imo.

Two - KSA sponsorships. Theoretically limitless I accept - BUT - in reality being sponsored by Riyadh Realtors or Jeddah Jumbo Bombers is in reality a parochial deal. No-one outside of KSA knows or cares much about them so their reach is much smaller in terms of 'global branding'. And if the PL are doing their jobs properly every such deal will be severely limited and investigated before approval.

Just a thought.
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aramco already sponsor the formula one for their 'global branding' so it would make sense to sponsor Newcastle. Funnily enough Aramco are owned by saudi
 
monkyArms said:
aramco already sponsor the formula one for their 'global branding' so it would make sense to sponsor Newcastle. Funnily enough Aramco are owned by saudi
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Aramco was the big hope of bringing in money via an IPO. So far still 99.86% is government owned, with Vanguard, Block Rock etc having 0.13% and then the Jap Pension fund having a few also. A further share issue is inevitable but the share price has been flat for a while.

I suspect NUFC is not big enough for them as they don't have the global reach or the association of success - but who knows with these Saudi's. Still lots of companies that could sponsor such as Saudi Telecom. Saudi Electric, Sabic, ACWA power and loads of banks plus PIF own 64% of Saudi Telecom, 74% of Saudi Electricty, 44% of ACWA power amongst many others. In fact they own 153.2bn of shares in Saudi out of a total market cap of 2170bn (7%).
 
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The Fish said:
We're already getting £7.5m for a sleeve sponsorship deal from Noon (it's like Saudi's Amazon, apparently). I'd anticipate a deal with some Saudi company, like Saudia, or for some abstract like Vision 2030. While these deals have to be 'fair market value', it's fair to say a top half PL finish would make a £20m per year sponsorship deal 'fair'.

With regards to small reach, I'd never heard of Fun88 before our deal with them, or Astropay, Cinch, or Hollywoodbet, SBOTOP, etc.
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I'd say the £7.5m is more than fair given the value compared to the rest of the league, even more so when compared against the main shirt sponsors of other clubs. They currently have a far smaller global brand than the big 6 so at most you would expect £20m, possibly £25m if the PL allow a little pisstaking like they have with the sleev sponsor.

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:edit: I keep bleating on about global brand etc so did a quick google and found this. As you can see, the big 6 (split into 2 groups of 3) have a huge brand value when compared to the also rans in the Premier League. The purple ones are Premier League teams and the Mags are the black one as this is the graph from page .

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The Brand Value Ranking has NUFC in 23rd up from 26th last year and the Brand Strength Index Ranking is up from 28th to 26th. Has this Brand Strength climb been to interest in NUFC's owners since the Saudis took over, though obviously not all positive attention. The Brand Enterprise Value Ranking (cost to buy the club), NUFC have dropped from 23rd to 31st. Even the lowest of of the big 6, who are Arsenal, are around €793m is nearly 4 times the value of NUFC who are less than €200m.

This is the 2019 info showing the Brand Value up against the Sponsorship amounts from Page 44 & 45
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. I know it's 2019 but even a generous €30m (£25m), above the dotted line along with Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea, would be around around €600m (£500m) Brand Value which is triple what NUFC are.



I still reckon the gap is simply too big to bridge even with dodgy inflated sponsor deals and other fiddling revenue income for NUFC. Are they even going to throw £100's millions at them over the coming seasons? At best I reckon they'll get past West Ham but won't get past Inter or catch Arsenal. That is obviously dependant on them getting up the table and challenging for Europe but if that doesn't happen will the Saudis still push for it or just move onto summit else?

Though I reckon there's a good chance they'd be invited into a European Super League but that may still depend on how NUFC do over the coming seasons because West Ham might even improve, who knows? This would obviously be a huge money spinner for the Saudis if NUFC did get into the ESL. One league instead of the five European ones means the split global audience will be combined into one and the money involved will probably be even bigger than any team gets in their own league.

I know PIF are pumping all that money into golf but are they trying to become the main competition which in time will pay dividends? They can't create an ESL as such so the next best thing is to try and be part of it given it's likely to happen one day.
 
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Mackem2017 said:
Newcastles biggest virgin is getting a little big headed and mouthy now. Wasn’t that long ago he was slapped down for talking to kids online

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He’s annoying as fuck because desperate to be famous but he’s also vulnerable and unprepared for the effects of fame

Hopefully whoever’s sponsoring him can help him out of the shitstorm heading his way 😄
 
Sporty said:
I'd say the £7.5m is more than fair given the value compared to the rest of the league, even more so when compared against the main shirt sponsors of other clubs. They currently have a far smaller global brand than the big 6 so at most you would expect £20m, possibly £25m if the PL allow a little pisstaking like they have with the sleev sponsor.

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:edit: I keep bleating on about global brand etc so did a quick google and found this. As you can see, the big 6 (split into 2 groups of 3) have a huge brand value when compared to the also rans in the Premier League. The purple ones are Premier League teams and the Mags are the black one as this is the graph from page .

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The Brand Value Ranking has NUFC in 23rd up from 26th last year and the Brand Strength Index Ranking is up from 28th to 26th. Has this Brand Strength climb been to interest in NUFC's owners since the Saudis took over, though obviously not all positive attention. The Brand Enterprise Value Ranking (cost to buy the club), NUFC have dropped from 23rd to 31st. Even the lowest of of the big 6, who are Arsenal, are around €793m is nearly 4 times the value of NUFC who are less than €200m.

This is the 2019 info showing the Brand Value up against the Sponsorship amounts from Page 44 & 45
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. I know it's 2019 but even a generous €30m (£25m), above the dotted line along with Spurs, Arsenal & Chelsea, would be around around €600m (£500m) Brand Value which is triple what NUFC are.



I still reckon the gap is simply too big to bridge even with dodgy inflated sponsor deals and other fiddling revenue income for NUFC. Are they even going to throw £100's millions at them over the coming seasons? At best I reckon they'll get past West Ham but won't get past Inter or catch Arsenal. That is obviously dependant on them getting up the table and challenging for Europe but if that doesn't happen will the Saudis still push for it or just move onto summit else?

Though I reckon there's a good chance they'd be invited into a European Super League but that may still depend on how NUFC do over the coming seasons because West Ham might even improve, who knows? This would obviously be a huge money spinner for the Saudis if NUFC did get into the ESL. One league instead of the five European ones means the split global audience will be combined into one and the money involved will probably be even bigger than any team gets in their own league.

I know PIF are pumping all that money into golf but are they trying to become the main competition which in time will pay dividends? They can't create an ESL as such so the next best thing is to try and be part of it given it's likely to happen one day.
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So lower than Everton then. I expect the next shirt sponsor will offer no more than £15m...
 
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