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NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022

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Banks said:
Here's one for the unwashed.

If its just a matter of time until your Ashley sponsorship deals expire and you land huge Saudi sponsors. Why take out a loan?

Ffp is over a rolling 3 season period. So you could have spent PIFs money this season without a HSBC loan as it wouldnt impact ffp once your huge Saudi sponsors come on board.

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Another question:

Why did Staveley deny borrowing £10m from Ashley, claiming instead to have got the capital by “selling a hotel”, only for it to be revealed that she had actually borrowed the money from Ashley, when he made it publicly known that he was taking legal action against her for breaching the terms of the loan?

Surely you would rather get that money from anywhere else? The obvious candidate being the sovereign wealth fund that is your business partner? Ashley actually imposed terms that were so restrictive he could dictate what she could and couldn’t say about him, yet she still agreed to it.

Caulkin did actually ask about this once, and got a totally inadequate response, and as far as I know it’s never been brought up again:


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Offered an opportunity to clear things up, Ghodoussi says they are “not going to get into the specifics,” because of commercial and legal sensitivities, but they will provide The Athletic with a statement correcting the record.

Sources close to PCP say that assets, including the hotel, were put into one company regarding the purchase of Newcastle and then loaned to another.

The statement, when it comes, reads: “PCP’s investment in Newcastle United involved corporate financing, as is common in transactions of this nature. However, PCP’s investment in the club was not financed by any personal loan or liability incurred by Amanda Staveley.”
 

Inside Forward said:
Any new sponsorship deal can’t be artificially inflated anyway so I’d love to know how they think they’re going to be rolling in money next summer when the Fun88 deal is up.
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Completely depends on what the PL determines as market value. The new sleeve sponsor is reported to be the 6th/7th largest and must have been passed by the PL so in theory a shirt sponsorship could be up there in value.

Also need to consider the possibility of training ground/stadium naming rights etc.
 
xVJ said:
Completely depends on what the PL determines as market value. The new sleeve sponsor is reported to be the 6th/7th largest and must have been passed by the PL so in theory a shirt sponsorship could be up there in value.

Also need to consider the possibility of training ground/stadium naming rights etc.
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This.
 
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But but but Ashley..
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But, according to Chi Onwurah, they're trying to change and Mike Ashley was the Devil for making people put their hand up to go for a piss.
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Jesus f***ing wept this reply 🙈🙈
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They simply can't separate the defence of their club and actual real life
 
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xVJ said:
Completely depends on what the PL determines as market value. The new sleeve sponsor is reported to be the 6th/7th largest and must have been passed by the PL so in theory a shirt sponsorship could be up there in value.

Also need to consider the possibility of training ground/stadium naming rights etc.
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Up there in value? I just did a quick google to get an idea so is that around £15m (£20m at a push) for a shirt sponsor? As for naming rights, it's probably half that so not exactly breaking the bank. That new rule about being market value has well and truly fucked any cheating investment ala Man City style.

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The naming rights are down are just over £4m here but a push up to £10m possible?

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So along with the NOOM deal is that around £37m - £45m in total? So just about enough to buy another Joelinton and pay his wages per season? Whatever it is, it certainly isn't going to be what was initially thought before the Premier League clicked on that the owners of NUFC may try to do another Man City and fiddle the sponsorship.

:edit: Just seen this in google results. So much for that estimate above given the clear piss take of the £7.5m NOOM sleeve sponsor is more than some teams front shirt sponsors and way more than any other team apart from big 6 :lol:

Even so, I would reckon no more than £20m (possibly £25m) a season for shirt sponor as £30m would be taking the piss if the PL allow it. Even that isn't going to buy big name players each season, unless they sell players for profit and up ticket prices and fleece fans in other ways. Whatever happens it isn't going to be the huge spending spree some thought and even huge spending doesn't guarantee success.

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Sporty said:
Up there in value? I just did a quick google to get an idea so is that around £15m (£20m at a push) for a shirt sponsor? As for naming rights, it's probably half that so not exactly breaking the bank. That new rule about being market value has well and truly fucked any cheating investment ala Man City style.

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The naming rights are down are just over £4m here but a push up to £10m possible?

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So along with the NOOM deal is that around £37m - £45m in total? So just about enough to buy another Joelinton and pay his wages per season? Whatever it is, it certainly isn't going to be what was initially thought before the Premier League clicked on that the owners of NUFC may try to do another Man City and fiddle the sponsorship.

:edit: Just seen this in google results. So much for that estimate above given the clear piss take of the £7.5m NOOM sleeve sponsor is more than some teams front shirt sponsors and way more than any other team apart from big 6 :lol:

Even so, I would reckon no more than £20m (possibly £25m) a season for shirt sponor as £30m would be taking the piss if the PL allow it. Even that isn't going to buy big name players each season, unless they sell players for profit and up ticket prices and fleece fans in other ways. Whatever happens it isn't going to be the huge spending spree some thought and even huge spending doesn't guarantee success.

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I don’t understand the naming rights of the stadium in that Old Trafford is just called Old Trafford.

Is it saying that’s what they could earn if they called it the Emirates Old Trafford or Nike Old Trafford or something??
 
homeless kid said:
I don’t understand the naming rights of the stadium in that Old Trafford is just called Old Trafford.

Is it saying that’s what they could earn if they called it the Emirates Old Trafford or Nike Old Trafford or something??
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Assume it is an accumulation of any sponsored parts - ends, suites etc?
 
homeless kid said:
I don’t understand the naming rights of the stadium in that Old Trafford is just called Old Trafford.

Is it saying that’s what they could earn if they called it the Emirates Old Trafford or Nike Old Trafford or something??
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Aye I think it's the potential earnings if they went down that route. This is what Ashley tried to tap into but there was uproar of course. After a season, Wonga did buy the naming rights but renamed it back to St James' Park without any mention of Wonga (possibly why it was only half market value?)

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Sporty said:
Just seen this in google results. So much for that estimate above given the clear piss take of the £7.5m NOOM sleeve sponsor is more than some teams front shirt sponsors and way more than any other team apart from big 6 :lol:
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This was my point. Even though we never will, I would be interested to see how the PL plans on deciding what is determined as market value due to the multitude of factors that could be taken into consideration.
Sporty said:
Even so, I would reckon no more than £20m (possibly £25m) a season for shirt sponor as £30m would be taking the piss if the PL allow it. Even that isn't going to buy big name players each season, unless they sell players for profit and up ticket prices and fleece fans in other ways. Whatever happens it isn't going to be the huge spending spree some thought and even huge spending doesn't guarantee success.
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Because transfers are amortised over the contract of a player, an increase in revenue of 20/30m is quite substantial for balancing the books.
 
Father Jack Hackett said:
Thing is, with the golf, there has been many dissenting voices from both within the game and the media. Therefore, they are throwing more and more money at it - attracting more "wholesome" players, til that goes away a bit.
There has been next to none of that with buying Newcastle, in fact, they have seemingly thousands of ready made "flies" (including Newcastle-supporting journalists) willing to defend the Kingdom, not just their own club against literally anything they've done or are doing. Do they really need to plough increasing huge amounts at it whilst their work is being done for fuck all?
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Well said young man.
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This is the only thread I use
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Thick twat
 
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I always come back to the point that this is Saudi Arabia we’re talking about and I can’t see them giving the slightest fuck about financial fair play - if they wanted to pour money into NUFC like the golf then they would go ahead and do it regardless of what the rules might be.

There isn’t a law or regulation that mob of scumbags wouldn’t feel entitled to break.

Just can’t see them diligently bean counting with their calculators to stay within the rules while PSG, Chelsea, and others seem to be able to spend huge sums.

Where are all these sponsorship deals and investment in the region anyway? It’s been nearly a year and there’s absolutely no sign of it aside from a sleeve sponsor.

They aren’t spending because they aren’t interested, not because of their deep respect for the sacred FFP regulations.
 
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