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NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022

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That was painful to read the nonsense that Midnight Roker was coming out with, why didn't he just call himself daylight obsessed mag or something:lol:, the levels these mags go to are beyond belief and they wonder why we call them obsessed with Sunderland:eek:
 

wigwams said:
He’s been on here loads of times under different guises. Posting style always the same and always pretends to not support Newcastle at first whilst refusing to criticise a single thing about them, as that drivel about their owners a few pages back testifies
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MidnightRoker said:
Hey, I said give me a few minutes, cool your jets.

Firstly, I’m conflicted about whether it should have been allowed or not. Because a sovereign wealth fund doesn’t inherently mean state ownership. For example if a country’s state pension fund bought a stake in a club purely intending to see a return would that be state interference? No, because they are ran by fund managers looking for monetary value not political value. The issue with the Saudi fund is that it’s impossible to know if that separation is really in place as the Premier League obviously can’t ever know for sure. But the fact is, that legally on paper the Saudi state DON’T own Newcastle, and technicalities like that are what’s important in business transactions not optics or assumptions about the practice of such an arrangement. Sovereign wealth funds owning clubs should have been banned in the rules of the league to avoid situations like this with grey areas of ownership, but it’s too late now, the horse has bolted and it’s the league’s fault (unless Boris made them allow it to complete).

As for the moral aspect, that’s an incredibly difficult subject and too many on both sides are oversimplifying the situation. Firstly I’ll qualify that I’m fully against the homophobia, human rights abuses, second class status of women and all other aspects of Saudi life that we in the UK find reprehensible by our standards. But therein lies the problem, they are OUR standards. What do we call it when we push our beliefs ideals and standards on another sovereign nation? Colonialism? Xenophobia? Think about it from the other perspective, have you read any scare stories about establishing Sharia law in areas of the UK, how did you feel about that? I would prefer to see full democracy, secularism and robust human rights in every country in the world, but does that make me a globalist? Another dirty word. Fact is, you should leave sovereign counties to do their own thing, if they want to make their country an awful repressive place to live, that’s their problem and we should’ve learned by now that interfering just causes huge problems (Afghanistan anyone?). Vote with your wallet if you don’t want to contribute to a regime that does things you don’t like, but getting high and mighty over other people who give money to a UK ally, just puts you on shaky ground and wide open to accusations of hypocrisy if you are inconsistent (like for example if you buy something made in China where they have concentration camps, and who are ostensibly a UK adversary).

As for Yemen, that seems to be a stick used to beat Newcastle fans with, but many (on both sides) don’t seem to actually know what is happening there. Sunderland fans who act like it’s a Russia Ukraine situation are wrong, but Newcastle fans that defend it while thinking the same are actually MORE wrong. It isn’t one Sovereign nation attacking another, it is a coalition headed by SA attempting to put down a civil war in Yemen at the invitation of the legitimate Yemeni government as recognised by the UN Security Council (of which the UK is a permanent member) so on the one side you have the Saudis and a large coalition of various countries that are generally considered (comparatively) more moderate westernised Muslim nations, backed and armed by UK US and various European allies. And on the other side you have the Houthi rebels who are the stereotypical ‘death to the west’ Islamic extremists, backed by Iran, Syria and rumour has it North Korea. Now there’s a discussion to be had that the collateral damage is unacceptable and SA bombing tactics are unethical, but they are using bombs we sell them, so when you talk about Yemeni kids dying should that criticism be directed at football fans rather than politicians? Did we not do the same in Iraq and Afghanistan? I’m from an armed forces family, my brother used to attach bombs to jets at camp Bastion and I’m sure everyone on here knows at least someone who has done a tour or two, so are we throwing stones in glass house by complaining about UK bombs dropped by UK allies?

I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow and the takeover should never have happened as politics and football don’t mix well, but the fact is that if you support the Houthi rebels against the UN rubber stamped SA intervention then you support a group whose slogan is:

“God is the greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Cursed be the Jews, Victory to Islam".

If you’ve accidentally stood up for that group then maybe, just maybe you’ve let football tribalism affect your judgement, because I honestly don’t believe either Newcastle fans or Sunderland fans support Islamic fundamentalism. At least not the ones in my family or friends.
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MackemTackem said:
That was painful to read the nonsense that Midnight Roker was coming out with, why didn't he just call himself daylight obsessed mag or something:lol:, the levels these mags go to are beyond belief and they wonder why we call them obsessed with Sunderland:eek:
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He'd have much more credence (well sort of!) if he openly declared his allegiances from outset

Snide Mag tool!
 
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Mr B said:
Thank the Lord for that. He was going that far over the top to justify he wasn’t a mag, that it became obvious that he was. Came over as a cross between an early Fish, when he tried to use big words, and Kildare.
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Angus0897433670 said:
It's an old Shola joke, remember him?

Don't want any football friends, it's hollow meaningless claptrap that irrelevant clubs obsess over.
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Yet your lot frequently turn up to your mates games up here.

No doubt we’ll see some of your lot at the Coventry game in a few weeks.

It’s all made up though isn’t it Angus?
 
Mackem2017 said:
Nobody thought it was an actual game, it was the fact he was happy to play along and introduce it as a European Super League game then come out a few years later saying how much of a disgrace it is, two faced as fk just like all the mags on here pretending to be Sunderland fans. I didn’t think that needed explaining obviously it did but thanks for scouring the tinternet to find the full video to defend John Hall :eek:
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Blimey, I'm now being accused of scouring the tinternet to defend John Hall! 🤣 All I did was simply post that due to the new SAFC following member's post quoted below and later comments mentioning the 2 real mags games against Barcelona and wondering if he actually meant the CL. I didn't scour the internet at all for the video, I just had a feeling it looked to be part of a longer segment. A simple search for "Standing Room Only 1994" and it shows as the 1st result so no need to get your knickers in a twist just because I quoted you as it wasn't directed at you at all.

https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/nufc-sportswashing-summer-2022.1582603/post-36445577

MidnightRoker said:
I’m confused by that clip. Obviously he wasn’t talking about a super league in the way that term was understood to mean last year, but I can’t think what he’s referring to unless this video wasn’t actually from 1994 at all (it does look later) so either he is talking about the preseason friendly league from 2002 (0-2 loss so seems unlikely) or he is talking about the 3-2 UCL win from 1997 and has just completely got the name of the competition wrong 🤔 did people casually call the UCL the ‘super league’ in the 90’s? I know it went through significant branding changes in ‘92
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Only available in the U.K. and Saudi Arabia…but they have nothing to do with the Saudi state though 😴

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"Aston Martin have just announced a £653m fundraising that will see the Saudi investment fund PIF (owner of Newcastle United) become the second largest shareholder.
Oh, and by the way, did you see the uproar in the press about this? No, nor me."
 
rocky said:
"Aston Martin have just announced a £653m fundraising that will see the Saudi investment fund PIF (owner of Newcastle United) become the second largest shareholder.
Oh, and by the way, did you see the uproar in the press about this? No, nor me."
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What model will behEddie get for being a mercenary poodle to the murderers?
 
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