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NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022

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legend7 said:
So how old are you and which 3rd of your life have you lived up here?
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I’m just under 40 and it’s a 3rd cumulatively if you add some at the start and some in my 20s as I moved back as a mature student then worked there for a bit. I was very young when I was taken to Roker Park a few times in the late 80s but honestly wasn’t interested in football at that age.
 

MidnightRoker said:
Hey, I said give me a few minutes, cool your jets.

Firstly, I’m conflicted about whether it should have been allowed or not. Because a sovereign wealth fund doesn’t inherently mean state ownership. For example if a country’s state pension fund bought a stake in a club purely intending to see a return would that be state interference? No, because they are ran by fund managers looking for monetary value not political value. The issue with the Saudi fund is that it’s impossible to know if that separation is really in place as the Premier League obviously can’t ever know for sure. But the fact is, that legally on paper the Saudi state DON’T own Newcastle, and technicalities like that are what’s important in business transactions not optics or assumptions about the practice of such an arrangement. Sovereign wealth funds owning clubs should have been banned in the rules of the league to avoid situations like this with grey areas of ownership, but it’s too late now, the horse has bolted and it’s the league’s fault (unless Boris made them allow it to complete).

As for the moral aspect, that’s an incredibly difficult subject and too many on both sides are oversimplifying the situation. Firstly I’ll qualify that I’m fully against the homophobia, human rights abuses, second class status of women and all other aspects of Saudi life that we in the UK find reprehensible by our standards. But therein lies the problem, they are OUR standards. What do we call it when we push our beliefs ideals and standards on another sovereign nation? Colonialism? Xenophobia? Think about it from the other perspective, have you read any scare stories about establishing Sharia law in areas of the UK, how did you feel about that? I would prefer to see full democracy, secularism and robust human rights in every country in the world, but does that make me a globalist? Another dirty word. Fact is, you should leave sovereign counties to do their own thing, if they want to make their country an awful repressive place to live, that’s their problem and we should’ve learned by now that interfering just causes huge problems (Afghanistan anyone?). Vote with your wallet if you don’t want to contribute to a regime that does things you don’t like, but getting high and mighty over other people who give money to a UK ally, just puts you on shaky ground and wide open to accusations of hypocrisy if you are inconsistent (like for example if you buy something made in China where they have concentration camps, and who are ostensibly a UK adversary).

As for Yemen, that seems to be a stick used to beat Newcastle fans with, but many (on both sides) don’t seem to actually know what is happening there. Sunderland fans who act like it’s a Russia Ukraine situation are wrong, but Newcastle fans that defend it while thinking the same are actually MORE wrong. It isn’t one Sovereign nation attacking another, it is a coalition headed by SA attempting to put down a civil war in Yemen at the invitation of the legitimate Yemeni government as recognised by the UN Security Council (of which the UK is a permanent member) so on the one side you have the Saudis and a large coalition of various countries that are generally considered (comparatively) more moderate westernised Muslim nations, backed and armed by UK US and various European allies. And on the other side you have the Houthi rebels who are the stereotypical ‘death to the west’ Islamic extremists, backed by Iran, Syria and rumour has it North Korea. Now there’s a discussion to be had that the collateral damage is unacceptable and SA bombing tactics are unethical, but they are using bombs we sell them, so when you talk about Yemeni kids dying should that criticism be directed at football fans rather than politicians? Did we not do the same in Iraq and Afghanistan? I’m from an armed forces family, my brother used to attach bombs to jets at camp Bastion and I’m sure everyone on here knows at least someone who has done a tour or two, so are we throwing stones in glass house by complaining about UK bombs dropped by UK allies?

I know it’s a bitter pill to swallow and the takeover should never have happened as politics and football don’t mix well, but the fact is that if you support the Houthi rebels against the UN rubber stamped SA intervention then you support a group whose slogan is:

“God is the greatest, Death to America, Death to Israel, Cursed be the Jews, Victory to Islam".

If you’ve accidentally stood up for that group then maybe, just maybe you’ve let football tribalism affect your judgement, because I honestly don’t believe either Newcastle fans or Sunderland fans support Islamic fundamentalism. At least not the ones in my family or friends.
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Whataboutery. Naff off.
 
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jlaws said:
Is it only mags that seem obsessed with "Cognitive dissonance". Seemed to come into fashion with covid and then used in the takeover. I guess this new oaf is an anti-vaxer as well.
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Absolutely not. Antivaxxers are a textbook example of cognitive dissonance. I’ve only used that phrase once I think prior to this paragraph so I’m hardly obsessed.
 
MidnightRoker said:
What on Earth does that mean? Is this part of the tactic to pretend everyone who doesn’t 100% sing from the same hymn sheet is a Newcastle fan undercover? At the risk of repeating myself, I’m a Liverpool fan and I’ve spent at least a 3rd of my life in Sunderland. At various points in time I’ve lived in Seaham, Roker, St Peter’s and City centre. I still have family in one of those places and a nephew in the academy. And if you worked yourself in the black cats bar about 13-14 years ago I might have chucked you out the ground at some point.

As if I’d tell you that you mug, he’s just a bairn. You know for a fact I wouldn’t, so you just wanted to try and use that as evidence I’m making it up. Transparently pathetic. I’ll be urging him to follow his cousin up the road at this rate.
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Owners kill kids up the road. Not here like, just over there
 
MidnightRoker said:
I’m just under 40 and it’s a 3rd cumulatively if you add some at the start and some in my 20s as I moved back as a mature student then worked there for a bit. I was very young when I was taken to Roker Park a few times in the late 80s but honestly wasn’t interested in football at that age.
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So,you got a lpool shirt when you were a bairn off your imaginary scottish grandparents, but you weren't interested in football til you were older, but supported lpool cos of the shirt you got when you weren't interested in football.Hmmmm.
 
Mackem2017 said:
You’ve just done it you keep mixing up between ending your sentences with a full stop and sometimes you don’t bother. You ask about 50 questions in a post just like your alias. We know it’s you and now you’re getting blocked you boring tw8t
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You’re talking out of your arse. I just looked up this guy you’re on about and I write nothing like him. He has poor grammar, often starts sentences without capitalising and seems to use an inordinate amount of …….. between things. Yeah maybe I miss a few full stops and run on sentences are a bad habit when I’m tired (I’m jet lagged to hell, look at the times I’ve been posting today) so I would say that’s incredibly weak sauce.
 
Mackem2017 said:
You’ve just done it you keep mixing up between ending your sentences with a full stop and sometimes you don’t bother. You ask about 50 questions in a post just like your alias. We know it’s you and now you’re getting blocked you boring tw8t
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Even the content is the same. Honest mag thought it was OK for grown men to marry 11 year olds, cos 'it's their country ,they can do what they want'.Just like this fella. And then they come to our academy where bairns play. They shouldn't be allowed.I am saying they, I know it's the same person
 
MidnightRoker said:
I literally just explained that in a previous post. I had Liverpool strips when I was little (carlsburg sponsor era) and wore them for football at school, where I got stick for it. I stubbornly maintained I was a Liverpool fan even though I knew nothing at all about them, then eventually followed them for real.
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Why though? You weren't interested in football. You are definitely a mag, pretending to be a lpool fan( a first for on here). Just so you could come on here with your pre written bullshit essay, in staunch defence of your saudi overlords.
 
If they get Jack Harrison I can see a major panic signing to keep the fans onside. Harrison and the big panic signing are exactly what they don't need.

Always said it would be their fans that fuck this up. They aren't capable of watching a patient build. They'll demand names and those names will fuck with their FFP limits.
 
MidnightRoker said:
Nobody is interested in football until the point that they are you absolute lunatic! I didn’t have sky in the house or parents that had any interest in football. I didn’t see my first premier league game on TV until years after I had my Liverpool kit. The live games I saw when I was little were through my dad’s business, at Roker Park, Darlo, Hartlepool and Newcastle, I went for the buffets.

Did you read the post prior to my long post, where I said I didn’t really want to even get into it? Then posted what I’d written a full hour later? But yeah ‘pre written’ 😒 you are just so closed off to any nuance of opinion on that subject that you labelled me a mag and stuck your fingers in your ears, closed your eyes and started humming
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Why wear a Liverpool strip at all, if you are not interested in football? How did you watch a prem league game on TV, when you didn't have sky? Mate, your pre written essay could've been condensed down to 'what they do in their own country, is fine by me'.
 
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This bloke is TRYING to be far too clever to justify himself. Trying being the operative word.

He hasn't got the brains to carry it off which leads me to believe he has all the characteristics of a skunk
 
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genewolf said:
And if the children are going to die, someone might as well benefit, right Clarence?

The sole purpose of NUFC is now to wash and deflect. You're one part of a state PR department alongside the botfarms. You no longer exist unless children die.

So pile those bodies high, get Sam Fender up on stage and everyone have a party.
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Don’t see where you got that take from. Merely asking why he would stop in the event that they sold Newcastle United? The killings certainly wouldn’t.

The pressure needs to be kept on regardless of whether they sell or not, surely? That’s obviously the real crime here.
 
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Banks said:
If they get Jack Harrison I can see a major panic signing to keep the fans onside. Harrison and the big panic signing are exactly what they don't need.

Always said it would be their fans that fuck this up. They aren't capable of watching a patient build. They'll demand names and those names will fuck with their FFP limits.
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They already are!
 
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