It's connected to sports washing isn't it? The Newcastle takeover didn't happen in a vacuum
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NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022
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He is so far down the apologist rabbit hole, he doesn't know it.
Father Jack Hackett
Striker
Do you really need an answer to that?
Beginning to look like a Saudi Bot, through naivety if not automation, this is why MBS bought you - thousands of unpaid disciples to act as ambassadors for an abhorrent regime.
Framing our takeover within the context of the football world where other states have also bought clubs is not whataboutery
It is when you only came on to talk about the saudi franchise fc
forever changes
Winger
Are their owners equally abhorrent to Saudi Arabia ? Does that make it ok for Newcastle then ?
This is exactly what sportswashing is, they did it and hardly anyone complains, so when we do it no one should say anything and then they can indicate how happily they are accepted so can't be as bad as they are made out to be.
Fans of all clubs are welcome on this board, but registrations solely to post on a single topic are frowned upon, you've had considerable say on this thread, perhaps you should now post on some other football or wider topics for a while. (That's not a request).
BigPete
Striker
Just ban him man.. he only came as a wind up.
Look at his opening AV picture. Strange how that was allowed yet @Roker Mackem got an AV ban for his.
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
Winger
The old line "Where was all the fuss before the Saudi's took over?" being brought out again. There's all sorts of shite that goes on in the world and there's no doubt you, along with others don't really take an interest in as it's not really affecting you in any way or your social bubble. If all of a sudden that shite comes into someone's life one way or another then it's only natural people are vocal about it as you would be also. NIMBY is something similar, which is 'Not In My Back Yard' as people don't really give a fuck about something that doesn't affect them at all.
Also the old "We as fans can do little else" line being trotted out. Well how about the fact that over 100,000 signed a petition along with the shit load of protests, banners, shouting at shops etc when Ashley was in charge? What have the 99% fans against the owners actions done and how many petitions have you had since and how many signed?
Along with the Saudi flags, dressing up etc, look at the reaction and uptake on the 3rd shirt. The actions of fans aren't defending as such but it's part of the sports washing and it worked. Would you buy that 3rd shirt knowing the obvious reason as to why it was done? They even put a tonal map of Newcastle on it to appease the fans. Maybe you won't buy it but it will sell in the 1,000's by the looks of things. So much for the "We got our club back" line that is also trotted out. Has one fan even bought it and burnt it for shit and giggles on Farsebook/Tw@tter. I reckon that would happen at other clubs given the reason why it's that style and colour. This Saudi influence will happen even more as the Saudi's become more of your club as you certainly haven't got your club back, it's a Saudi vehicle.
The simple fact is that many of your fan base have sold out in the hope of success and some don't give a fuck at all who the owner is and many others may but won't say owt about it as long as they buy players. All clubs will have a percentage of fans that would be like this but it's clear your fan base has a higher percentage who would rather see their club successful rather than be bothered about what is now in their back yard.
If all this investment in overspending on players (what happened to "in the region"?) means you win nowt and still plod along in mid table then I bet more fans will become vocal about the owners and many will claim to have been like that since the beginning. It's also given that if we'd been bought by the Saudi's then some of those mag fans loving the Saudi's money would be the complete opposite and chances are they'd have started a NIMBY petition and up to all sorts of antics like they've got up to in the past
So would you accept £500m investment over 3 years from Putin? This is what sports washing is, they invest in something and players/fans don't give a fuck about the investors as long as they benefit from it
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SaintJude
Midfield
No but I bet you sympathise with the Saudis
Saudis don’t care about success or failure. They throw money at anything that will give them eyeballs. LIV golf tour an example. They’ve spent £1billion at it and won’t make any of that money back. The whole thing was broadcast free on YouTube/Facebook so it got what they wanted. Eyeballs
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If you must make a comparison, I'd like to compare how these sets of fans reacted to being taken over. Was there anything like the despicable scenes at St James's when man city or psg were taken over? You know ,grown men dressing up as Saudis, dressing their bairns up as Saudis, doing traditional saudi dances, having saudi picky teas, changing avatars to the saudi flag, saudi tatoos, fanzines making standard defend deflect statements for fans to use, fans harassing dead journalists fiancées and amnesty international, lasses turning to islam, musicians with a social consience giving up their social conscience to dance about with the saudis.Was there a man city/Qatari equivalence to this?
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Winger
Just read the BehEddie Exclusive in the Sun on Sunday 
‘Toon’ ‘legends’
Pre season off to a flier by beating Gateshead who were tough opposition.
They’ve had to spend £142M to become massive
‘Toon’ ‘legends’ Pre season off to a flier by beating Gateshead who were tough opposition.
They’ve had to spend £142M to become massive
faith brothers
Striker
Is he banned yet?
You seem to be confusing the term Investment with Subsidy. It’s an investment to the Saudis, but it’s a subsidy for Newcastle.
When you invest, you expect to get something back in return. When their eventually move on, the Saudis will probably be looking at a loss in the hundreds of millions. The only return they’ll be expecting is for the fan base to defend their regime whenever an atrocity is brought up. This is exactly what you’re doing in a round about way by attempting to deflect or change the conversation.
Newcastle are now being very heavily subsidised by the Saudi state to allow them to break into the top 10. They are spending money that they could never hope to generate themselves, so any success will be simply classed as being ‘bought by the Saudi State’. I know many of you won’t be bothered by this, but you must admit that it will take the shine off any achievement knowing that it was only possible by being very heavily subsidised by a heinous regime.
forever changes
Winger
He’s an utter tool who’s got away with his ‘defence’ of this charade for too long
shrek
Winger
Theyve sold 40,000 for a friendly which is impressive, but itll be great ammo for when the wheels come off when they no doubt do, and the crowd turn and the flags droop.
The best manager ever Eddie, will hit a patch and now poch is looking for work the pressure will be on immediately.
The best manager ever Eddie, will hit a patch and now poch is looking for work the pressure will be on immediately.
Rokerparkpies
Striker
What i/we are waiting for is this so called investment in the reejun!
Well that's what was promised..wasn't it??
Is it a Brexit style scenario when alot was promised but ultimately we were sold a dud??
So..if there is investment in the reejun how far does that investment stretch??
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Winger
Just seen this video earlier today when looking at PL players wages/image rights and it shows the Transfer & Wage spend (sorry not the NET spend) in the Premier League. Obviously it isn't to the penny but it gives an idea. The Mags appear in 1994 and climb straight up to 10th. They then climb up the list to 5th in 1996 and take 3rd in 1999 from Blackburn who plummet staying on £190m after being relegated. Leeds have a go from 1998 to 2001 and climb from 8th to 4th and 2004 it goes to shit.
Quite a few teams spent big all those years ago chasing success but it was a different ball game back then. There was a partial reset in football revenue due to the growth of the Premier League and new money and this allowed other teams to spend big money, not just well supported teams with big match day revenue.
Blackburn and Leeds chased success and ultimately ended up paying the price for overspending. The Mags plodded on and came close to winning the league as we know but they were dropping off again after their 2nd spell of a few good seasons and trips to Europe. Their time of overspending was just about up as the cash cow had been milked and it needed owners who rather than taking millions out, would invest millions into a club like Abramovich/Abu Dhabi group. Spurs eventually overtook them in 2009 and Everton did after their 2nd relegation in 2017.
Ashley stepped in and he did put his hands in his pockets but that was mainly to cover the debt. Aye he didn't spend £10's millions yet he got grief for not showing the same ambition spending levels without the bonus revenue from the likes of Champions League, global market etc and owners putting their hands in their pockets a lot more.
Now with the massive revenue of the big 6 towering over the other 14 teams, it's harder to break into them than it was in the mid 90's onwards. Teams can't just offer silly fees/wages to numerous players like they did back then. The mags weren't overspent chasing the scraps and this is partially the reason the Saudi's can come in and spend big money on players. The question is how long can they overspend before FPP kicks in if they don't dramatically increase revenue?
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Quite a few teams spent big all those years ago chasing success but it was a different ball game back then. There was a partial reset in football revenue due to the growth of the Premier League and new money and this allowed other teams to spend big money, not just well supported teams with big match day revenue.
Blackburn and Leeds chased success and ultimately ended up paying the price for overspending. The Mags plodded on and came close to winning the league as we know but they were dropping off again after their 2nd spell of a few good seasons and trips to Europe. Their time of overspending was just about up as the cash cow had been milked and it needed owners who rather than taking millions out, would invest millions into a club like Abramovich/Abu Dhabi group. Spurs eventually overtook them in 2009 and Everton did after their 2nd relegation in 2017.
Ashley stepped in and he did put his hands in his pockets but that was mainly to cover the debt. Aye he didn't spend £10's millions yet he got grief for not showing the same ambition spending levels without the bonus revenue from the likes of Champions League, global market etc and owners putting their hands in their pockets a lot more.
Now with the massive revenue of the big 6 towering over the other 14 teams, it's harder to break into them than it was in the mid 90's onwards. Teams can't just offer silly fees/wages to numerous players like they did back then. The mags weren't overspent chasing the scraps and this is partially the reason the Saudi's can come in and spend big money on players. The question is how long can they overspend before FPP kicks in if they don't dramatically increase revenue?
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