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NUFC/Sportswashing - Summer 2022

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The Fish said:
Yes, those seasons were an unsuccessful attempt to strive for better. I've seen the"back door" thing before and, honestly? it makes you sound bitter, rather coming across as any great gotcha. We were in the UEFA cup, regularly. If that was because we go to an FA Cup final, or qualified via the Intertoto, I don't care, we were legitimately in the competition.

No team has a god given right to be anywhere, you are where you are. If Man Utd, arguably the biggest club on the planet, were get relegated and tumble down the league, their mismanagement and performances will have earned them that. However there appears to be a feeling on here that, just because our average league position over our entire 130yr history is 12th, means that should be the limit of ambition now.

There's also a conflation of aim and result. We finished 11th under Shepherd and Hall, therefore that's the same as when we finished 11th under Ashley. Which is hysterical.
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It ain't a gotcha, look at my spoiler at the end of my post :lol:

Hall spent big money due to the growth in Premier League money and he and others took plenty money out. Your delusion has you thinking Ashley should have done the same as Hall spending beyond their means and again risking doing a Leeds.

The Fish said:
No, I'm using the 14 prior because Ashley was in charge for 14 seasons. Had he owned us for 7, I'd have used 7 yrs prior, had he run us for 30yrs I'd have used 30 yrs prior. We've been over this, many, many times.

Leicester did and it was a remarkable fairytale story. Since then, according to RTG logic, they should be happy with... 18th?

Yep, I'm just killing some time.
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Leicester were something that probably won't happen again in our lifetime. Look at my previous post as their finances are getting bigger but revenue will be dropping due to lack of Europe and further success. They need to replace Vardy soon as he is to them as Shearer was to you.

Actually having one of the world's best strikers over your 'glory' years is something Ashley never had. Hall knew Shearer wouldn't be around forever so spent massively on Owen but it didn't work out but do you consider this?

The Fish said:
Doesn't sound like the Ashley I've heard about on here, failing to do something as basic as due diligence...

Those Premier League plodders are a step up on what we had under Ashley and the only player we've signed since the takeover with no experience of the Premier League is Bruno Guimaraes. I think he'll be fine, I also don't think he's an unknown.

There's a difference between you and me. I am enjoying every second of your troubles, but I wouldn't wish financial rack and ruin on your club. I thought it was hilarious when you failed to win promotion from the third tier on 3 occasions, but want you to steer well clear of that trampy bullshit merchant Storey.
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Trippier is decent but Woods & Pope from a relegated team, Targett isn't top club standard and has Botman played Premier League before?

The actual difference between you and me is the level of delusion and grandeur as where did I wish financial rack and ruin on your club? :lol: I said I hope it goes tits up (as in spending big chasing success) and also that you end up in a worse situation than Everton. Are Everton close to doing a Bury and going out of existence due to being £100's millions in debt or just in a situation were they can't spend big at the moment?

In fact, it doesn't matter as I'm bored now after killing some time so I'll leave you to waffle on about your ambitious glory years and how Ashley took it all away.
 
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Exile 1968 said:
If Ashley had presented you with Howe there would have been hell on. Same as Burn and Targett. And you know it.

And thanks I'll take your comment as a compliment.
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I've posted about this a few times in various nufc threads.

The chronicle ran a poll in January 2021 when Bruce was still manager and Eddie Howe was the choice of the fans to replace Bruce. The poll prompted Bruce to refer to Howe as "that fella from Bournemouth that got them relegated". Ashley still owned the club at this point.
 
Mills and Boon said:
Saudi apologist?

Any quotes from me to back that up or is it yet more pork pies from you? I'll not hold my breath like, you seem to enjoy making baseless accusations
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You kind of said that none of your fans have revelled in the saudi takeover. And have you shown any dissent towards your owners? Withdrawn support? So yeah, you are a saudi apologist, even saying you are pulling in the same direction as your owners.Do you kill kids n'all?
 
The Fish said:
No, I'm using the 14 prior because Ashley was in charge for 14 seasons. Had he owned us for 7, I'd have used 7 yrs prior, had he run us for 30yrs I'd have used 30 yrs prior. We've been over this, many, many times.

Leicester did and it was a remarkable fairytale story. Since then, according to RTG logic, they should be happy with... 18th?

Yep, I'm just killing some time.
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why dont you go back in 14 year chunks and see how many of the last half dozen were successful. you might just find that 1 you've picked is the outlier.
 
What A Waster said:
I've posted about this a few times in various nufc threads.

The chronicle ran a poll in January 2021 when Bruce was still manager and Eddie Howe was the choice of the fans to replace Bruce. The poll prompted Bruce to refer to Howe as "that fella from Bournemouth that got them relegated". Ashley still owned the club at this point.
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There was also a poll when you first got took over and Eddie Howe finished bottom with less than 5% of the vote

That was when yous thought you were getting Brendan Rogers, Pochetinno or Fonseca :lol:
 
What A Waster said:
I've posted about this a few times in various nufc threads.

The chronicle ran a poll in January 2021 when Bruce was still manager and Eddie Howe was the choice of the fans to replace Bruce. The poll prompted Bruce to refer to Howe as "that fella from Bournemouth that got them relegated". Ashley still owned the club at this point.
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But that was when Ashley owned you.
As the richest club in the world I doubt many would have wanted Howe.
 
Binxy said:
But that was when Ashley owned you.
As the richest club in the world I doubt many would have wanted Howe.
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The lad said had Ashley appointed Howe there'd have been hell on. Yet during Ashley's ownership there is a poll of the fans saying they'd have him.
Not many dissenting voices about Howe's appointment under Saudi ownership either as far as I'm aware. Not from who i talk to or what i read
KGC83 said:
There was also a poll when you first got took over and Eddie Howe finished bottom with less than 5% of the vote

That was when yous thought you were getting Brendan Rogers, Pochetinno or Fonseca :lol:
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Try and follow the conversation. Have a look at what i replied to.
I never saw that poll. Have you got a link for it?
 
ferryhill mackem said:
Was just thinking @Nukehasslefan disappears and then @The Fish is back. Both dribble on with the same old shite. Just scroll past anything they post
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woah woah woah, I'll let a lot of shit slide, but don't ever put me in the same sentence as that f***ing abomination. Not only is he a flat-earther, but he also says that the people who were murdered in 9/11 attacks were either fake, or actors. The bloke is a disgrace. Even the flat earth forums have disowned him.
Sporty said:
It ain't a gotcha, look at my spoiler at the end of my post :lol:

Hall spent big money due to the growth in Premier League money and he and others took plenty money out. Your delusion has you thinking Ashley should have done the same as Hall spending beyond their means and again risking doing a Leeds.
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I wasn't bothered about Ashley spending big chasing a dream like Hall did. I wanted him to run the club well, instead of neglecting really important parts of it.

Sporty said:
Leicester were something that probably won't happen again in our lifetime. Look at my previous post as their finances are getting bigger but revenue will be dropping due to lack of Europe and further success. They need to replace Vardy soon as he is to them as Shearer was to you.

Actually having one of the world's best strikers over your 'glory' years is something Ashley never had. Hall knew Shearer wouldn't be around forever so spent massively on Owen but it didn't work out but do you consider this?
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Owne was evidence of Hall shooting for the moon and getting it horribly wrong. We'd have been better off signing a lesser known striker who actually wanted to be here. Owen is one of the worst signings in our history and definitely the most expensive flop.

Sporty said:
Trippier is decent but Woods & Pope from a relegated team, Targett isn't top club standard and has Botman played Premier League before?

The actual difference between you and me is the level of delusion and grandeur as where did I wish financial rack and ruin on your club? :lol: I said I hope it goes tits up (as in spending big chasing success) and also that you end up in a worse situation than Everton. Are Everton close to doing a Bury and going out of existence due to being £100's millions in debt or just in a situation were they can't spend big at the moment?

In fact, it doesn't matter as I'm bored now after killing some time so I'll leave you to waffle on about your ambitious glory years and how Ashley took it all away.
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Hah! I totally forgot about Botman!

Everton are haemorrhaging money and unless they're bought out by big pockets could well be in big trouble financially. Especially if they go down this coming season.
 
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Sporty said:
Actually having one of the world's best strikers over your 'glory' years is something Ashley never had. Hall knew Shearer wouldn't be around forever so spent massively on Owen but it didn't work out but do you consider this?
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I know I was going but this is an afterthought as Hall was paying top dollar for players in fees and wages. This was helped by the revenue increase of new money coming in from the blossoming Premier League. Even the likes of Boro had money to spend like they'd never had before due to revenue growth. Clubs all of a sudden had this new found wealth and they were able to invest it However over time the rise in players fees and wages for most clubs caught up with this increase in revenue unless they were successful and consistently got into Europe.

In 2007 the world record fee was nearly £50m for Zidane from 2001 so no way Ashley was beating that. The English record was £30m for Shevchenko in 2006 thanks to Abramovich's cash and Ashley was in no place to compete with that unless he had pockets of cash like Abramovich. How could Ashley even continue the 'glory' years when football finances had changed so much and he took over a club already in debt and no sign of revenue increases ahead like there was in the 90's? The Mags spending in the 90's in relation to all clubs was at the top but it would have taken someone nearer the likes of the Abu Dhabi group than Ashley to finance it late 2000's in the same way.

Basically in the 90's NUFC were a small fish in a small pond suddenly being overfed. Over time the pond grew bigger and bigger, the fish were fed less so NUFC weren't as big a fish but they still expected to be fed and be a big fish.

The Fish said:
Everton are haemorrhaging money and unless they're bought out by big pockets could well be in big trouble financially. Especially if they go down this coming season.
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Ah, I thought Everton were fine now they've stayed up and selling a few players and that over time they will recover to be able to spend big again. If they'd been relegated then aye I thought they'd be in the shit, especially with the new stadium.
 
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What A Waster said:
I've posted about this a few times in various nufc threads.

The chronicle ran a poll in January 2021 when Bruce was still manager and Eddie Howe was the choice of the fans to replace Bruce. The poll prompted Bruce to refer to Howe as "that fella from Bournemouth that got them relegated". Ashley still owned the club at this point.
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Never let facts and statistics get in the way of a good rant, however.
 
The Fish said:
woah woah woah, I'll let a lot of shit slide, but don't ever put me in the same sentence as that f***ing abomination. Not only is he a flat-earther, but he also says that the people who were murdered in 9/11 attacks were either fake, or actors. The bloke is a disgrace. Even the flat earth forums have disowned him.

I wasn't bothered about Ashley spending big chasing a dream like Hall did. I wanted him to run the club well, instead of neglecting really important parts of it.


Owne was evidence of Hall shooting for the moon and getting it horribly wrong. We'd have been better off signing a lesser known striker who actually wanted to be here. Owen is one of the worst signings in our history and definitely the most expensive flop.


Hah! I totally forgot about Botman!

Everton are haemorrhaging money and unless they're bought out by big pockets could well be in big trouble financially. Especially if they go down this coming season.
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Everton couldn't spend money last season due to FFP not because they were skint.
 
The Fish said:
Even if you disregard the Intertoto we were in Europe 10/14 seasons prior to Ashley, that's pretty regular if you ask me.

There was a lot of "Ashley isn't bad, look at Wigan ffs!" from other fans. Which, if you were to extrapolate it across football, no fanbase can complain about their owner/how their club is run, unless they support the very worst run club on the planet.

I, and everyone I know, were excited about Kenyon's proposal, or the Mexican group, or anybody other than Ashley. That it's the Saudis is a damning indictment of Ashley, the O&D test, the PL, the FA and the British Government. They were the only group that had a bid accepted, so they were the only takeover available to us. We wanted ANY takeover, so groups of Newcastle fans did their utmost to push it through. Ultimately nothing we did had any influence on the deal as it was the Saudis ending the state sanctioned piracy of Qatar's broadcasting that broke the deadlock.

Your last point is funny mind. We were roundly mocked on here for demanding Mbappe and Haaland when no one was. Now that the fans are pleased with the signings of Pope, Burn, Targett you're trying to make out like they're bad/disappointing signings? Literally every signing we've made is an upgrade on what was here already.

maybe 30% of this is true, the rest is just your bias.
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You're putting words in my mouth here. I never said that you couldn't complain, I said that the level of histrionics that a lot of Newcastle fans went to was embarrassing. Nothing wrong with wanting more for your club, the way your lot went on was f***ing ridiculous.

About the signings, again, I've never said they were disappointing or bad. Reasonable enough players for a lower league PL team. The point I was alluding is - was it worth it? All the Ashley shite, the 18-month courting of the Saudis, the nearly-year long defence of their actions and the constant deflections, all so you could sign f***ing Chris Wood and Nick Pope? Really?
 
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