Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES) - Please put sensitive content behind a spoiler

Gelan said:
Best yet 👍
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I've been to worse firework displays, nice finale at the end.
elder said:
the intel and accuracy is definitely been ramped up recently. Russia will have to suffer similar, ongoing losses now that Ukraine has the capability to accurately hit anywhere in the occupied territories and beyond.
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Just stay in the game Ukraine.

Russia have thrown everything at Ukraine and get weaker day on day. Ukraine get more and better weapons from it's friends and gets stronger every day. Russia has no friends, she's on her own.

Russia still has the advantage and still the one gaining ground even if it's incremental. The gap closes every day and the Russian hierarchy should be worried and if they ain't they facking should be.
 
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bowers2 said:
I love this thread and attempt to keep up with it.

However I feel as though it is very one sided and biased in the manner of Ukraine have the upper hand. I have the feeling that they haven’t (have no other views apart from this).
I feel as we all want Ukraine to win, that all the positivity is heading their way however regality maybe very different.
Sorry for my I’ll education and lack of knowledge.
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I don't think that its a question of people being over optimistic about Ukraine. Its really a question of how staggeringly incompetent and badly organised the Russian military is. The Russian military is a huge force that even now presents a massive danger to the Ukriane but its inability to deal with a numerically inferior force or even make some significant progress against it over a period of 4 months it has surprised a lot of people.

I don't know if the Ukranians will ever manage to drive the Russians out of their country but if the Russian losess are even just half of those that the Ukrainans claim them be this war has been a disaster for Russia. I doubt if the Russian military has the organisational ability let alone the cash to ever recover from it.

From a Cold War perspective a war in which two former Soviet states have embarked up on a path of mutual distruction is perhaps more than NATO could have ever hoped for. Its astonishing that the Russians should be allowing it to continue as each day that goes by its military is being degraded even further and no sort of "victory" could now compensate them for that.
 
Schnauzer said:
Wouldn't be surprised, lots of explosives have high energy Nitrogen bonds so will give off brownish coloured NOx gasses and Beirut's explosion was Ammonium Nitrate which would also have given off brownish coloured NOx gasses.
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Both used to make bombs.
WestEndLad1975 said:
Standard there that man. Take a look at a few dating site pics (loads on net) and that looks perfectly normal. Strange lot.
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Wad
 
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Feed the Monster said:
The sentimental view, mine included, is that Ukraine are more than holding their own. I’m elated when I come on and see some links to Ukrainian success stories and want to believe that the Russians are going to be annihilated when the western weapons arrive.

I think the reality is a lot different sadly. As incompetent as the Russians can be, history shows that they win wars of attrition. They’ll rely on weight of numbers and brutality to prevail, as they seem to be doing here. Hope I’m completely wrong but all the talk of HIMARS changing everything dramatically looks a bit V2 wonder weapon wishful thinking.

happy to be flamed for this post as, like I say, I really hope I’m wrong and the tide turns back blue and yellow.
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I think the next 2-3 weeks are critical. The Russians resorted to pounding the fuck out of everything with artillery and then taking the ground as the Ukrainians seem to be carrying out fighting withdrawals but did not have the ability to take on the Russian artillery. However they still reportedly caused massive Russian casualties. In the last few days they seem to have received much more accurate and long range weapons and look to be targeting Russian ammo supplies and command centers. Smart move as if you take on the guns then it takes a long time to knock them all out but take out the supply and command centers and things may turn quickly. The Russians have also blown everything up so resupply is not going to be easy.
Add in the withdrawal from snake island and now apparently guerilla activity behind Russian lines then it’s going to be tough for them. I can see a Russian announcement that the worst of the Ukrainian “nazi’ forces were destroyed in their special operation and now they are withdrawing.
 
Market Where? said:
I can see a Russian announcement that the worst of the Ukrainian “nazi’ forces were destroyed in their special operation and now they are withdrawing.
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I hope you are right, if you are I can't see Ukraine just stopping using the weapons they now have and can see them continuing to target any Russian supply centres within range, the West should continue sanctions until Russia rebuilds the cities they destroyed.
BTW has anyone heard from Putin since he went under the knife?
 
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Market Where? said:
I think the next 2-3 weeks are critical. The Russians resorted to pounding the fuck out of everything with artillery and then taking the ground as the Ukrainians seem to be carrying out fighting withdrawals but did not have the ability to take on the Russian artillery. However they still reportedly caused massive Russian casualties. In the last few days they seem to have received much more accurate and long range weapons and look to be targeting Russian ammo supplies and command centers. Smart move as if you take on the guns then it takes a long time to knock them all out but take out the supply and command centers and things may turn quickly. The Russians have also blown everything up so resupply is not going to be easy.
Add in the withdrawal from snake island and now apparently guerilla activity behind Russian lines then it’s going to be tough for them. I can see a Russian announcement that the worst of the Ukrainian “nazi’ forces were destroyed in their special operation and now they are withdrawing.
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It would be interesting to see exactly where they would withdraw from, if they just pull out they have achieved nothing but destruction and death of their own military. If they try to hold the ground they've taken they'll still be in range of Ukrainian guns, so I doubt they'd be able to start any kind of rebuilding programme or even ' normalisation ' without some kind of negotiated ceasefire, which the Ukrainians seem to be dead set against. I just can't see a way out of this that Russia can call successful ( although no doubt they will) and it looks like any kind of prolonged occupation will become a massive drain on their resources for many years to come, even without the threat of attacks from resistance forces within.
It's a complete shitshow that Putin has created, I hope he dies or is killed soon, and the Russians wake up to the reality of the situation. I see the Swiss have already started planning the reconstruction of Ukraine, I hope this is a sign that they expect things to improve in the near future.
 
Metro Man said:
Must say, I'm surprised.....but good news if true.
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Yeah, I'm always unsure about turkeys true alliances but this seem very ballsy and in line with NATO's wishes.

It's an interesting move and all eyes back to Vlad to see how he reacts could this be a Franz Ferdinand moment?
 
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martinlumley said:
It would be interesting to see exactly where they would withdraw from, if they just pull out they have achieved nothing but destruction and death of their own military. If they try to hold the ground they've taken they'll still be in range of Ukrainian guns, so I doubt they'd be able to start any kind of rebuilding programme or even ' normalisation ' without some kind of negotiated ceasefire, which the Ukrainians seem to be dead set against. I just can't see a way out of this that Russia can call successful ( although no doubt they will) and it looks like any kind of prolonged occupation will become a massive drain on their resources for many years to come, even without the threat of attacks from resistance forces within.
It's a complete shitshow that Putin has created, I hope he dies or is killed soon, and the Russians wake up to the reality of the situation. I see the Swiss have already started planning the reconstruction of Ukraine, I hope this is a sign that they expect things to improve in the near future.
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I’m guessing they want to hang on to the Crimea and Ukraine might accept that. Putin or his replacement knacker say their magnificent forces have destroyed the Ukraine nazi forces and then withdraw from all other parts of Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine agrees to not join nato but signs a mutual defender agreement with no nato forces permanently in Ukraine. Possibly enough for Russia to declare a win. Then keep sanctions and moving away from Russian energy.
What a complete waste.
 
Market Where? said:
I’m guessing they want to hang on to the Crimea and Ukraine might accept that. Putin or his replacement knacker say their magnificent forces have destroyed the Ukraine nazi forces and then withdraw from all other parts of Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine agrees to not join nato but signs a mutual defender agreement with no nato forces permanently in Ukraine. Possibly enough for Russia to declare a win. Then keep sanctions and moving away from Russian energy.
What a complete waste.
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I think Russia will insist on the land corridor to Crimea.
 
Wrenthorpe Mackem said:
I think Russia will insist on the land corridor to Crimea.
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But if things pan out in Ukraines favor then they are in no position to make demands. And they haven’t said they want a land corridor so far - just that they wanted to denazify Ukraine. They can spin it that they have done that - and even say because they have done that the breakaway regions are now safe and don’t need their protection anymore.
All depends on the messages getting to the top I suppose. If the messages coming back are that they are winning then no reason for them to back down.
 
smoker said:
Fallen back into line now they got what they want from Finland and Sweden. :rolleyes:
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Yes.....not really happy with that. Hope they haven't just agreed to send people back to Turkey who just happen to be Kurds that Erdoğan doesn't like. Turkey definition of 'terrorist' is broad to say the least.
Market Where? said:
But if things pan out in Ukraines favor then they are in no position to make demands. And they haven’t said they want a land corridor so far - just that they wanted to denazify Ukraine. They can spin it that they have done that - and even say because they have done that the breakaway regions are now safe and don’t need their protection anymore.
All depends on the messages getting to the top I suppose. If the messages coming back are that they are winning then no reason for them to back down.
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Well, yes, events on ground will dictate and right now that favours Russia. Maybe that will change. I'm just sceptical that Ukraine will be able to launch a broad offensive to push them out.
 
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Market Where? said:
I think the next 2-3 weeks are critical. The Russians resorted to pounding the fuck out of everything with artillery and then taking the ground as the Ukrainians seem to be carrying out fighting withdrawals but did not have the ability to take on the Russian artillery. However they still reportedly caused massive Russian casualties. In the last few days they seem to have received much more accurate and long range weapons and look to be targeting Russian ammo supplies and command centers. Smart move as if you take on the guns then it takes a long time to knock them all out but take out the supply and command centers and things may turn quickly. The Russians have also blown everything up so resupply is not going to be easy.
Add in the withdrawal from snake island and now apparently guerilla activity behind Russian lines then it’s going to be tough for them. I can see a Russian announcement that the worst of the Ukrainian “nazi’ forces were destroyed in their special operation and now they are withdrawing.
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I don't think the next 2-3 weeks are critical and I don't think small incremental gains by the Russians are significant either. Ukraine just needs to pick her battles and fight the Russians on her terms.

How I see it are Russia are on the clock and Ukraine isn't. Russia's current hardware losses are unsustainable if this is to be a long protracted war as long as Ukraine's friends don't bale on her and keep supplying her with weapons.

It's also a war of survival for Ukraine but a war of choice for Russia. If this war is still going in October lets see how Russians feel about fighting in the coming freezing weather and how their families feel as thousand more month on month either get killed or come home with less limbs than they went with. After all it was Russian mothers who are credited for ending the Afghanistan war and they've already lost more men in 4 months in Ukraine than a decade in Afghanistan.

Every day the game gets easier for Ukraine and harder for Russia and we only have to look at the map that the Russians have gone nowhere since the first fortnight of the war.
 
Market Where? said:
I’m guessing they want to hang on to the Crimea and Ukraine might accept that. Putin or his replacement knacker say their magnificent forces have destroyed the Ukraine nazi forces and then withdraw from all other parts of Ukraine. Maybe Ukraine agrees to not join nato but signs a mutual defender agreement with no nato forces permanently in Ukraine. Possibly enough for Russia to declare a win. Then keep sanctions and moving away from Russian energy.
What a complete waste.
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They had one in place. With UK & USA and we didn't honour it. So worth shit..
 
WestEndLad1975 said:
They had one in place. With UK & USA and we didn't honour it. So worth shit..
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True. Any peace treaty with Putin would have to be taken with barrel of salt and assurances from the West similarly. Only solution is for Ukraine to arm itself to teeth and deter future aggression within the context of any deal. So no limitations on armed forces.

However, a peace treaty still better than a deep freeze that erupts into violence. Reconstruction efforts, investment and moves to fully integrate with Western structures like the EU won't happen if the Russians are sporadically bombing Ukraine and their government is constantly consumed with dealing with this.
 

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