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NUFC and other Sportswashing Spring 2022

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Redandwhitedust said:
I agree that a colour change would be a step too far, but stadium naming rights are becoming more and more common, even down the lower leagues.

I think the vast majority of your fans would welcome the Saudi Arabian Airlines Stadium if it meant big money spent on players.

The only reason the majority wouldn't welcome the Sports Direct Stadium was because Ashley wasn't splashing the cash.

I'm a traditionalist like you though, so I get where you are coming from 100%

But I think at Newcastle you are probably in the minority
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Not sure this is correct. He did, just not as much as some. We finished 5th and some were not happy. Can't keep everyone happy i guess.
We will, in my opinion, win something in the next few years. A Carling (whatever it is called this year) Cup will do me. Some will want / expect more.
I work with a Man United supporter who genuinely believes they have had it tough since SAF left. In comparison to the previous 20 years they have. Compared to everyone else they haven't. It is all relative to expectation.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
Over time there were many fans jumping on the hate bandwagon but it didn't start with him not throwing money at the club because he actually laid it all out and did spend.
It was Keegan leaving that kicked it all off and it spiraled from there.

That some fans expected, but not all.

Some fans argued about all kinds of stuff on spending. I actually didn't agree with a lot of it.

I've never shown my disproval for any owners/custodians of Newcastle United in a letter or physical protest. I've mumbled and bickered with friends and people over many a custodian, though.

I've no need to bleat on about owners. There are enough people out there to do that.

A stain to those who want to use their selective moral judgment. To me, Newcastle United will never be a stain.
Owners come and go and whatever they are in terms of a stain will be washed out as they leave if their actions towards the club are deemed bad.
What people use outside of that is up to them.

Absolutely.

My focus is trying to get as much enjoyment from Newcastle United.
Newcastle United will always offer up the good the bad and the ugly like all clubs do.

Fans will hate fans.
People will have different ideals.
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Dear God!!

Mods please get shot of this bore's heed before we all loose the will to live
 
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Their main targets look like they're not happening. The bedsheets may be oot sooner than we anticipate
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Redandwhitedust said:
Would anyone have cared about Keegan if once he was gone, Ashley had spent money on the club and delivered a trophy?
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Not many, most likely.
Fickleness is rife among football fans.
Remember that most started to accept Ashley when we went back up as champions of the championship and then went back to the normal hatred when things didn't quite pan out.
I'm under no illusions about the fickleness and everything else but it doesn't just top at Newcastle fans.
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Would anyone have cared about Zero hour contracts if Ashley had spent money and delivered a trophy.
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Again, likely very few.
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Would anyone have cared about the renaming of a stadium if he had spent money and delivered a trophy.
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Once again, likely very few.
Redandwhitedust said:
The answer is no. They'd have been happy to be surrounded by his branding and probably defending him when zero hour contracts were raised by others.
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I'm with you in a way. I've said it time and again.
Redandwhitedust said:
And if the Saudis don't deliver the image of the club that many of your fans expect.... then you know what will happen? They'll turn, and will suddenly start caring about human rights in Riyaddh.
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I absolutely agree with you.
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And suddenly all those protests/petitions will have been all about "anti corruption" and nothing to do with wanting MBS and PiF involved.
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Yep, I'd suggest there would be a lot of twisting and your argument is fine with me.
But try to also remember this would happen to all clubs.
This is where people can take a massive stance and pretend their morals are intact and flawless.

UNTIL................

And that's my argument.
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Dear God!!

Mods please get shot of this bore's heed before we all loose the will to live
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Use the ignore button.
 
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englishman abroad said:
Executing bairns, f***ing savages that's all they are
Some of the comments from mags, unbelievable, especially that dad of two
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Think I'm best off not reading the comments will probably end up with a lifetime ban replying to some of them

As long as they sign crap like Matt Targett and Chris Wood they don't care what their scum owners do
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
Let me make this abundantly clear.
Any person or people that commit atrocities or gain wealth on the back of the demise or detriment of others should be punished for it.
Now here's the problem.
We are basically under the control of people who are willing to do all of that stuff and by that, I mean governments and dictators on top of massive moneymen/women from all walks of life.
This does not just include Newcastle United.

Now then, I could offer up morals and say "right that's it I don't support Newcastle United anymore and on top of that I'm stopping watching all sports that consist of being owned by moneymen/women who gain their wealth on the back of atrocities or detriment of others.
I then have to start putting a block on anything and everything associated with that setup.
Basically, I'll find myself picking up scraps or living off the land.



Like I said above. If we only knew a tiny p[ercentage of it all we wouldn't just be arguing about Newcastle United and whoever owns it. But seeing as this is a rival board it is one thing that naturally stands out as a major battering ram and I get it.

Nothing's a swerve. It consists of almost everything but it comes down to a choice of what constitutes selective morals.
It comes down to us all being hypocrites.
You're using a more powerful conveyance with Saudis and Newcastle as your main battering ram and will massively rest on your laurels as it stands but deep down you will know you are partaking in many things that constitute some atrocities or the detriment of people or animals and so on.

A "yeah but" is no get-out-of-jail-free card. It comes down to hypocritical views and we are all guilty of it.

Absolutely but we can argue all kinds of stuff based on this mindset.
If Manufacturers didn't make guns then nobody would be shot. And because they obviously do manufacture guns and weapons, when does it become morally legal to use them?
Somebody or something has to be on the end of an atrocity or to be at the detriment of it.
I could make many arguments with this just as you could for it.

And this comes back to morals as I mentioned a while ago in this thread.
Let's make this clear.
If an army rushes a village that houses potential terrorists and wipes out that village, knowing there are many innocent people in it but they had little or no real choice but to accept them and stay silent or face the consequences, many people would have many different views.
Some would say, " well they housed terrorists and knew it, so paid the penalty."
Others would say "why couldn't the terrorists be rooted out and the innocents are left alone."
Some would say " In war innocents unfortunately die."
Some would say, "why kill anyone?"

And this comes down to selective morals and people basically being hypocrites when it is on their own doorstep, kind of thing.
It's just finding a reason as and when to use one argument against another if it appears to have a powerful one-upmanship over another person at any particular time.
This is a classic example of that.

Of course, it's black and white. It's news saturation and a massive reason to have something to beat down on something that's in the limelight. More so with Sunderland fans, because the hate from some goes beyond reasoning, so stands out as the absolute bitterness it shows.
I get that and I know Newcastle fans (some) would offer the very same if the boot was on the other foot and Sunderland fans (some) would be offering similar arguments as to what Newcastle fans offer.
As I said, it comes down to selective morals based on what suits at any particular time.



Let's be totally honest from my side. I am absolutely not going to stop supporting Newcastle United, no matter what I like or dislike about what's going on in the world.
I hate a lot of things that go on but I can not stop anything happening that is not directly within my physical grasp and ability.
You can argue I could stop supporting the club but that doesn't change anything except me taking some kind of stance that others do not, so I change nothing other than one hypocritical stance based on what other hypocrites think is correct, which is not entirely based on morals alone, more hatred and jealousy mixed in but will obviously be denied.

If we only knew half of what goes on in the world. If we only knew the truth of selective news stories.
What goes on behind closed doors in governments and large consortiums of people who get the spoils of what's on offer for collaboration with each nation.

If I had my way I'd scrap all sport and money people and hand it back to grassroots people to run for the people, by the people.
I'd get rid of armies and killing in an ideal world.
I'd let animals live naturally.
I'd let people live naturally.

And so on and so on.

But......................
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Tldr
 
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