Sea to Shining Sea
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The question is, who could they turn to that would increase their chances of winning it?
Guardiola will be scrutinised for his record but who could get them over the line and continue their domestic form as well?
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The Pep myth
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The question is, who could they turn to that would increase their chances of winning it?
Guardiola will be scrutinised for his record but who could get them over the line and continue their domestic form as well?
Because he's a manager who every single club in the world would have, apart from Real Madrid. He wins trophies. He wants to win every season and the clubs he's been at or could go to would be likely to win again. Man United haven't mounted a serious title challenge since they won it in 2013.
It's like saying Mo Salah or Sterling or Lewandowski should leave where they are to go to man united because they were good 10 years ago
Pretty sure Liverpool wouldn't want him and you can keep mentioning players, but we all know that's a completely different subject
mediaclee
Winger
You are stating reasons why he’s a great manager, one of the best. Of which that is no doubt. Domestically fantastic - although city had already won the league twice with pellegrini and Mancini, they were moved on for someone to come in and bring home the champions league.
My point is that at Man City, he was employed to win the one trophy the owners wanted. He has failed on that regard. Unlimited resources + this fantastic manager who wins all the domestic trophies but no CL? Whilst his peers continue to win it around him.
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Sidewinder2
Striker
Exactly
Nil desperandum
Striker
His downright stubborness and obsession with Madrid has cost City a few champions leagues. The goalkeeper and centre back pairing are not the world beaters he thinks they are.
They obviously want the CL, but its not the sole reason. They weren't the number 1 side or the dominant side when they won it in 2012 or 2014. They were contenders who succeeded from a 3 way tussle in 2014. Iirc they didn't top the table until the last week of the season in 2014. 2012 they won it on goal difference.
Since he's came in they've won the league 3 times, 4 league cups and the fa cup.
They were good before him. But now they're often seen as the best around.
What he's done there is a great job. 100 points to win the league then 98 the next season.
He's given them their greatest times ever
How often do his peers win it? Who do you see as his peers?
If any club was looking for a manager i mean.
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Laidback Jack
Striker
He was very naive tonight mind. Why not tell them to drop down, play for time, pretend your injured, chop up and stop the game. Also taking KDB off seemed odd.
City are very unlucky but their failure to get a world class front man will cost them dearly. They should have won that over the two legs about 7-3
City are very unlucky but their failure to get a world class front man will cost them dearly. They should have won that over the two legs about 7-3
mediaclee
Winger
As direct competition whilst he’s been at city, which is the entirety of my point, there will be 5? Managers?
I think it’s 5 seasons since he’s been at city, where others managers have won it at his expense. Klopp, Tuchel, Flick, Zidane x2 IIRC and then either Ancelotti or Klopp x2.
I think he’s also spent the most money out of the lot of them names since joining Man City.
I am entirely referring to his time at Man City.
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Napoleon Dynamite
Striker
Chancer
As I said in the other thread, would Liverpool be better with no nonsense full backs like Kenny Sansom and Lee Dixon? The risk they have from not having a world class centre forward or from getting exposed down the flanks is clearly working for them. Both clubs choose to play that way and it works for them. It's not like they struggle because of a world class centre forward.
They're top of the league and score plenty. They've just put 5 goals past real madird over two games. Doesn't look like they struggle for goals to me.
mediaclee
Winger
All true^ as a response to someone calling him a fraud or belittling his overal achievements.
Can’t say any of the above is relevant to his failure to reach his main objective and goal at Man City, whilst having the best resources available to do so, even though he’s meant to be the best? Something in that calculation doesn’t add up.
He’s cracked it domestically, his year long tactics of domination are impressive to say the least, but his inability to produce in the champions league in his current role is inexcusable IMO
woodlebert
Striker
Liverpool have got Origi as a different option. City don’t seem to be able to change the system, just the personnel
mediaclee
Winger
Well he’s only spent 400 million on defence and keepers in 5/6 years, still can’t figure out how not to ship 6 goals over 2 legs in Europe.
He’s the master of domestic dominance, the attacking sequences and possession football is matched by none (worldwide). But as soon as the serious, real pressure of European knockout football with his 400 million pound defence comes around, suddenly the passing game doesn’t win the trophy.
Must adapt in Europe.
Laidback Jack
Striker
Nobody mentioned full-backs.
They missed a hell of a load of chances. I said nowhere that they struggled, but at the business end of the CL you need to be clinical. City weren't. They had chances to kill the game off at 1-0 and failed.
You can try and tighten up the the back but Guardiola has always been an offensive minded manager first and foremost.
