NUFC and other Sportswashing Spring 2022

[Mackem2017]

They don’t do irony on Tyneside

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[Nukehasslefan]

You think the earth is flat and the sun is a reflection from a magic crystal generator.
Your views mean nothing to me.
So very wrong in everything you say as usual.

You're welcome to your opinion. I don't share it but accept it as your opinion.

 

[legend7]

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[Exile 1968]

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[North Yorks Mackem]

Worst for what... Arguing about subjective morality?

It certainly would help for you I agree because it creates less resistance to your arguments and makes it easier to sidestep what's pout out about subjective morality.

I'd be more than happy to change that if I had the power but I'd also change a lot more to create an even playing field throughout, which means stopping everything in this country that comes from countries/states that commit atrocities.

How far and wide do we go with this or is this just about Newcastle United for now and Newcastle fans disowning their club to appease those who simply hate the potential of it becoming a big player among corrupt clubs.

Let me tell you what Newcastle United became.
It became a bankrolled plastic club with real genuine fans that will soon be filtered out into a lot of plastic fans.

Did I want this? NO.
Would I prefer a Steve Gibson type? ABSOLUTELY.


That's exactly what I do.
I did exactly the same under Ashley and every other owner.

I have no control over who owns the club regardless of what people say.
I can give it up to appease people. All fans could do this. Will they?
Take a look around you and see just how much we as a country are run and influenced by people from states/countries that have their own immoral ways that they pass off as their morals.

Let's collectively go against these people and be totally moral.

Can we do this or should we simply just concentrate on Newcastle United?


I feel the same about any owners bankrolling clubs over and beyond their in-house reality of earnings.
As for atrocities, I stand all atrocities in the same vein. Not acceptable but all people need to offer their own rejection to those who perpetrate it, not just pick and choose one section based on hatred and bitter rivalry as a tool to use to supposedly push immoral behaviour onto whilst offering themselves a sidestep to their own acceptance of it for other things happening that are deemed backburner stuff while the argument happens on the front burner.

Why is it so easy to do anything to mask all kinds of wrongs?
Create an acceptance for when it suits by offering comfort and reward.

When attacked you defend.
I don't think too many are defending a regime. I'd say most are defending themselves and the collective group being attacked.
Nature of the beast.


Subjective morality is massively into play here.
Trying to argue about necessity does not cut it.


We are just starting to stop it, are we?
Does it only count since Newcastle was taken over I didn't see much arguing against any of it before this?
Unless you can correct me on it.

They can think about what they want in their country. We don't have to agree with what they do.
I remember when I was a kid being told that the Arabs cut off people's hands if they were caught stealing. It seemed to be fine because that was their way whether we agreed or not.
I didn't see many objections just as I never did for executing people for what was deemed a crime that we may deal with much more leniency.

Whether I'm a disgrace to you or others. the situation still stands out like a sore thumb.
Subjective morality is massively in play and people are trying their best to distance themselves from it.

What the fuck is subjective about human torture, human dismemberment, and targeting civilians, including kids, in a war?

You and a huge portion.of your support have lost all sense of reality in a lust for being able to buy a load of trophies.

To be quoting subjective morality here is f***ing crackers.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

What the fuck is subjective about human torture, human dismemberment, and targeting civilians, including kids, in a war?

The way people use it.

You and a huge portion.of your support have lost all sense of reality in a lust for being able to buy a load of trophies.

I think we all lose a sense of reality in all kinds of ways when issues come to the forefront.

To be quoting subjective morality here is f***ing crackers.

Do you believe you're morally solid in your ways and thinking?

 

[offmenut]

Which is exactly why it's subjective.

You're still buying into it regardless.

That's irrelevant. This is why subjective morality comes into play.


But you are still part of it but your morals become subjective.


Nor do many but you always get pockets in everything.

Not at the minute but you'd have had no qualms when he took over if you were a Chelsea fan. And certainly wouldn't have if he'd taken over Sunderland 20 years ago. Think about it.


People can decide what they wish. I merely put my posts in and have my say.

No, it's not. It's only wasted if I don't believe what I'm typing.
I know some will agree and some won't and some will sit on the fence, as is life itself.


It's not as full as I'd like but nowhere near as empty as people would wish.

If you also can't see that feeding those regimes makes them stronger then maybe you need to do what you ask of me.

How?

this must be a parody account..ffs
Yeah, subjective morality.
Fortunately most people bar it would seem you, seem to realise that buying petrol which is a necessity isn't the same as being joyous about putin owning their club.
Maybe if you're a proper thicko you need everything to be black and white.
For the majority of the world though, they recognise that being happy that a tyrant owns their club is morally repulsive and being unhappy that you need to buy oil from that tyrant isn't.

I don't think anyone is happy that they have to give money to the Saudis for oil.
When I'm heating my house, I'm not saying, 'oh I love the Saudis, they bomb yemini kids but I can't care about that as I'm heating my house'

You're on about subjective morality in actions.
Its a con.
Subjective morality in how you feel.
The majority of mags are happy that their rich and owned by the Saudis. They petitioned for it.

The majority of people arent happy when they have to heat their house and money goes to the Saudis or Russians.
The majority of people who work for the Saudis don't enjoy doing it cos they love the Saudis, they do it as a necessity.

Talk about subjective morality on your feelings and conscience.

You mags don't have a leg to stand on.
You're disgusting trying to justify it to make you feel better and it's absolute horseshit.

 

[Exile 1968]

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[Northumberland Rocks]

Which is exactly why it's subjective.

You're still buying into it regardless.

That's irrelevant. This is why subjective morality comes into play.


But you are still part of it but your morals become subjective.


Nor do many but you always get pockets in everything.

Not at the minute but you'd have had no qualms when he took over if you were a Chelsea fan. And certainly wouldn't have if he'd taken over Sunderland 20 years ago. Think about it.


People can decide what they wish. I merely put my posts in and have my say.

No, it's not. It's only wasted if I don't believe what I'm typing.
I know some will agree and some won't and some will sit on the fence, as is life itself.


It's not as full as I'd like but nowhere near as empty as people would wish.

If you also can't see that feeding those regimes makes them stronger then maybe you need to do what you ask of me.

How?

Defending the indefensible. Blood on your hands.

Any moral you had chucked out just because you want to win a football match. There is a reason why a murderous terrorist country led by a psychopath choose you. Morals a million miles lower than a snakes belly.

Ukraine = Yemen

 

[North Yorks Mackem]

The way people use it.

I think we all lose a sense of reality in all kinds of ways when issues come to the forefront.

Do you believe you're morally solid in your ways and thinking?

I think I am very capable of understanding that people that order acts of human dismemberment to be carried out are the very worst of humanity.

This issue doesn't need to be complicated with teh saudis. It's only complicated by the likes of you somehow trying, and failing, to pick holes in stances people are taking against your owners.

I'll keep it simple. They are mass murderers. That is very bad.

 

[Squat]

They don’t do irony on Tyneside

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like this

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this quote is quite something, considering newcastle were definitely NOT in a much worse position when that photo was taken

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[legend7]

this must be a parody account..ffs
Yeah, subjective morality.
Fortunately most people bar it would seem you, seem to realise that buying petrol which is a necessity isn't the same as being joyous about putin owning their club.
Maybe if you're a proper thicko you need everything to be black and white.
For the majority of the world though, they recognise that being happy that a tyrant owns their club is morally repulsive and being unhappy that you need to buy oil from that tyrant isn't.

I don't think anyone is happy that they have to give money to the Saudis for oil.
When I'm heating my house, I'm not saying, 'oh I love the Saudis, they bomb yemini kids but I can't care about that as I'm heating my house'

You're on about subjective morality in actions.
Its a con.
Subjective morality in how you feel.
The majority of mags are happy that their rich and owned by the Saudis. They petitioned for it.

The majority of people arent happy when they have to heat their house and money goes to the Saudis or Russians.
The majority of people who work for the Saudis don't enjoy doing it cos they love the Saudis, they do it as a necessity.

Talk about subjective morality on your feelings and conscience.

You mags don't have a leg to stand on.
You're disgusting trying to justify it to make you feel better and it's absolute horseshit.

Nah its not a parody.
Go over to the flat earth thread he will blow your mind with his reasoning.
Never had him down as a terrorist defender mind just a normal bloke who thinks very erm "differently"

 

[Bear Heed]

Which is exactly why it's subjective.

You're still buying into it regardless.

That's irrelevant. This is why subjective morality comes into play.


But you are still part of it but your morals become subjective.


Nor do many but you always get pockets in everything.

Not at the minute but you'd have had no qualms when he took over if you were a Chelsea fan. And certainly wouldn't have if he'd taken over Sunderland 20 years ago. Think about it.


People can decide what they wish. I merely put my posts in and have my say.

No, it's not. It's only wasted if I don't believe what I'm typing.
I know some will agree and some won't and some will sit on the fence, as is life itself.


It's not as full as I'd like but nowhere near as empty as people would wish.

If you also can't see that feeding those regimes makes them stronger then maybe you need to do what you ask of me.

How?

You're wasting your life man.

I bet you never tell anyone you know that you're on here at all hours week after week.

Seriously, what would your family think if they knew

 

[Exile 1968]

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[Northumberland Rocks]

I think I am very capable of understanding that people that order acts of human dismemberment to be carried out are the very worst of humanity.

This issue doesn't need to be complicated with teh saudis. It's only complicated by the likes of you somehow trying, and failing, to pick holes in stances people are taking against your owners.

I'll keep it simple. They are mass murderers. That is very bad.

81 people publicly executed in 1 day including a 13 year old.

Who would want to be associated with that? Scum would be and then see it as totally acceptable as long as they spend money on a football team.

Blood on their hands.

 

[Nukehasslefan]

this must be a parody account..ffs
Yeah, subjective morality.
Fortunately most people bar it would seem you, seem to realise that buying petrol which is a necessity isn't the same as being joyous about putin owning their club.
Maybe if you're a proper thicko you need everything to be black and white.
For the majority of the world though, they recognise that being happy that a tyrant owns their club is morally repulsive and being unhappy that you need to buy oil from that tyrant isn't.

Oh, it can go much deeper than this. This is just scraping the top of the icing.
Shall we go through all wars and such or is it just one we need to be concentrating on because it suits?

I don't think anyone is happy that they have to give money to the Saudis for oil.

Many people are not happy paying taxes. Many people are not happy about going to war.
Many people are not happy about paying high fuel bills. And so on but we do it.
If we're not happy doing this stuff then why do it?

When I'm heating my house, I'm not saying, 'oh I love the Saudis, they bomb yemini kids but I can't care about that as I'm heating my house'

Course not, your morals become massively subjective and your focus is on what's at hand. What can be offset from your own subjective morality? Newcastle United is the focus as it stands.

You're on about subjective morality in actions.
Its a con.
Subjective morality in how you feel.

I am part of it. I have massive subjective morality and I admit it 100%.
It seems you don't feel you have any or if you do you don't seem to want to admit it.

The majority of mags are happy that their rich and owned by the Saudis. They petitioned for it.

I'm far from happy about being turned into a plastic moneybags club but the world of football is so corrupt it's a case of fans going with the flow of, if you can't beat them then join them.
It's not right but life in itself is all corrupt and far from right.

The majority of people arent happy when they have to heat their house and money goes to the Saudis or Russians.

To be fair most don't care until the prices go up and someone is to blame.
If the Government said tomorrow or that they did a deal with Russia or whatever and your gas and electric bills will be £5 a week from now on, most people would forget about anything to do with the conflict.
We're a selfish bunch in the main and we're all out to get whatever is on offer if it appears good for us, regardless of who suffers for it.
I'm just trying to be as honest as I see it.

The majority of people who work for the Saudis don't enjoy doing it cos they love the Saudis, they do it as a necessity.

Such is life. How many people do you think work because they love the Government?
Do you think people like being known as an underclass to those at the top?

Talk about subjective morality on your feelings and conscience.

That's what I am talking about. It applies to us all.

You mags don't have a leg to stand on.

As to what?
I have a lot to apologise for but it is meaningless if I support regimes that offer atrocities and atrocious conditions to those who help provide stuff that makes me content. I'm a hypocrite and I admit it.
I suffer from morality issues but hide them when arguing morality on certain subjects just as you're doing right now with Newcastle United and fans as your main focus.

You're disgusting trying to justify it to make you feel better and it's absolute horseshit.

I don't feel better. I hate what's happening in the world but I have a choice to live my life being a hypocrite and being subjective in my morality or cast it all aside and live as pure as can be construed as being just that.
I don't know how to do that, do you?

If you do then I'd be happy to discuss it.

 

[Northumberland Rocks]

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Birds of a feather.

We think it as completely unacceptable what is happening in Ukraine yet think its acceptable in Yemen.

Ukraine = Yemen.

 

[KGC83]

Most fans are happy they got rid of Ashley.
Most fans are happy we've got a new manager.
Most fans are happy we look to be turning a corner.
Most fans are happy that we can afford players.

And so on.
I'd highly doubt many would be happy about atrocities in other countries. Unfortunately, when a brush is tarred it's tarred.

Most fans are happy that we can afford players? Sure it was Ashley that bought Joelinton for £40m and gave Bruce over £150m to spend. That’s not forgetting he gave McLaren about £90m to spend, about 7 year ago

Let’s not forget when he was buying all the unknown french internationals as well. Remember, yous had a French day walking round with berets on?

Utterly f***ing shameful excuse of a fanbase that just rewrites history time and time again

 

[Nukehasslefan]

Defending the indefensible. Blood on your hands.

If that's the case we all do.
It's just a case of what is moral to some and not to others in whatever country or area of life is set up.

Any moral you had chucked out just because you want to win a football match.

I have many morals for many things just like you do. I also have many immoral traits depending on any given setup, just like you do.
Why?
Because we're all part of being subjective in our morality no matter how the argument goes in the strength or weakness of one.

There is a reason why a murderous terrorist country led by a psychopath choose you.

There's a reason why many things happen in the world, morally or immorally.

Morals a million miles lower than a snakes belly.

Of course. Your hatred of Newcastle United and fans offers you this thought and you're welcome to it.

Ukraine = Yemen

All wars are barbaric.
All wars and despicable.
All warmongers should be brought to book.
Shall we just stick to these wars or offer up the wars everywhere?

Or don't they count in this argument?

I think I am very capable of understanding that people that order acts of human dismemberment to be carried out are the very worst of humanity.

Me too.

This issue doesn't need to be complicated with teh saudis. It's only complicated by the likes of you somehow trying, and failing, to pick holes in stances people are taking against your owners.

It's basically putting things into perspective to those who feel their argument can only go one way, without a counter.

I'll keep it simple. They are mass murderers. That is very bad.

I'll keep it simple, so are all governments.

 

[Bear Heed]

If that's the case we all do.
It's just a case of what is moral to some and not to others in whatever country or area of life is set up.

I have many morals for many things just like you do. I also have many immoral traits depending on any given setup, just like you do.
Why?
Because we're all part of being subjective in our morality no matter how the argument goes in the strength or weakness of one.

There's a reason why many things happen in the world, morally or immorally.

Of course. Your hatred of Newcastle United and fans offers you this thought and you're welcome to it.

All wars are barbaric.
All wars and despicable.
All warmongers should be brought to book.
Shall we just stick to these wars or offer up the wars everywhere?

Or don't they count in this argument?

Me too.

It's basically putting things into perspective to those who feel their argument can only go one way, without a counter.

I'll keep it simple, so are all governments.

Your poor mam