Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

[SYB_DC]

Makes a mockery of the whole thing mind. Can't imagine any country will ever agree to anything with "assurances" if we're now worked out they aren't worth the paper they're written on

It's not anything new that that's what the term means. It's not an accident that the US was supplying a lot of weapons to Ukraine even before the invasion.

 

[Market Where?]

They could go the Russian way and say they're not going to join NATO then do it anyway. If Putin attacks thn he's attacking a NATO country and has fucked it.

I would say to Russia that you can apply to join NATO and Eu if you leave Ukraine immediately.

 

[SYB_DC]

It's not something we have the right to decide. It is up to the people of Ukraine. We either support them or we don't.

That's a more eloquent way of saying what I meant in a way.

 

[UpTheDuff]

Just give back alternative demands:
We won’t destroy the Russian Army and will ease sanctions if Russia ceases military action in all of Ukraine, including those bits invaded in 2014.

 

[Lord Alfred]

I don’t feel safe at home, he has threatened to nuke us, we should not give in to this evil man and maybe the west should learn from those brave Ukrainians, otherwise all those lives lost will be in vain.

So why do you think allowing the war to continue and escalate will make you feel any safer at home. How will it end if we do what you want?

 

[cosmicchris00]

So your post was a load of shite then.Pleased we got that sorted.

Well if you want to put it like that, yes, apart from the bits that were 100% accurate.

You seem to have the same taste for half-truths as the object of most of this thread

 

[Mercia Blackcat]

So why do you think allowing the war to continue and escalate will make you feel any safer at home. How will it end if we do what you want?

If he's going to use nukes then he will sooner or later when he eventually reaches a red line he can't cross.

 

[Bulwell]

It's like their previous demands, but with vaseline.

Brilliant take of it that.

 

[UpTheDuff]

The thing with Putin is he does what he has always planned to regardless of what he says.

He planned to invade Ukraines ages ago and despite talks etc he did it. If he has planned to nuke us he will regardless of what we do, and if he has planned not to he won’t regardless of what we do.

Any agreement to terms or demands are meaningless. He wants Kyiv and will keep trying to take it. If Ukraine stop fighting like he asks it will just make it easier for him to take it.

Lying untrustworthy two-faced shits can only be beaten on the battlefield.

 

[The Rolls Royce]

The thing with Putin is he does what he has always planned to regardless of what he says.

He planned to invade Ukraines ages ago and despite talks etc he did it. If he has planned to nuke us he will regardless of what we do, and if he has planned not to he won’t regardless of what we do.

So if tomorrow Ukraine surrenders to all his demands, he will still nuke us, if he had planned to last week obviously?

 

[Wild Card]

Just give back alternative demands:
We won’t destroy the Russian Army and will ease sanctions if Russia ceases military action in all of Ukraine, including those bits invaded in 2014.

hopefully the sheer gall of it will give Putin a fatal aneurysm.

 

[den]

So why do you think allowing the war to continue and escalate will make you feel any safer at home. How will it end if we do what you want?

I don’t want to live in a World where a madman threatens nuclear annihilation if he doesn’t get his way, who knows how this war will end, but we can’t keep letting him get away with it.

 

[luvulongtime]

the fact he's offering terms just shows what a battering his army has taken

 

[Lord Alfred]

If he's going to use nukes then he will sooner or later when he eventually reaches a red line he can't cross.

I don't think he will use them. No side can get an unanswered first strike in so, to coin a phrase, its MAD.

He's looking for a way out imo so maybe his "conditions" can be argued over.

 

[bomber]

Well if you want to put it like that, yes, apart from the bits that were 100% accurate.

Weak opposition being the Frexit Party.That was accurate.

 

[Lonz]

I don’t want to live in a World where a madman threatens nuclear annihilation if he doesn’t get his way, who knows how this war will end, but we can’t keep letting him get away with it.

It also sets a prescedent going forward to any tyrant who might want to try it again.

 

[---Nemo---]

I don't think he will use them. No side can get an unanswered first strike in so, to coin a phrase, its MAD.

He's looking for a way out imo so maybe his "conditions" can be argued over.

Or perhaps his army is facing massive logistical problems and he's looking to buy time. Attempting to second guess a sociopath is some task.

 

[Lord Alfred]

I don’t want to live in a World where a madman threatens nuclear annihilation if he doesn’t get his way, who knows how this war will end, but we can’t keep letting him get away with it.

It's easy for you to say that though because the only effects on you is it costs you more to fill your car up or heat your home. Ultimately either the two sides agree a compromise or it escalates into a humanitarian disaster and potentially a much wider conflict.

 

[SYB_DC]

It also sets a prescedent going forward to any tyrant who might want to try it again.

That's why the Ukrainians fighting so hard and continuing to do so is so crucial. It means that pointing a nuke at someone does not obviate fighting the conventional war (and experiencing attendant losses).

 

[Lord Alfred]

Or perhaps his army is facing massive logistical problems and he's looking to buy time. Attempting to second guess a sociopath is some task.

Can't argue with that marra.