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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Lankester Merrin said:
I don't know the demographics of Ukranian refugees, but I was involved when the North East took in Sudanese refugees. The people who escaped Sudan were people with money and passports, people who had travelled and spoke foreign languages.

There was lots of anxiety about how the NHS would cope with the additional demand for services, but so many of them had medical degrees that the NHS ended up with more Drs than they needed. There were so many sudanese and somalis working for the NHS in the North East that they held their AGM in Gateshead because it was such a short journey home

Countries who are generous taking in refugees get a benefit from them, not a burden, sadly we are too caught up in our own anxieties about foreigners to see that
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Surely concern should be for the poor buggers who can’t afford to get out not those who can and do
 
LineMonkey said:
Putin's goal was to de-legitimise Western Governments full stop.
He didn't really care who won.
See also Trump in the US.
See also support for Brexit to de-stabalise the EU + avoidance of EU anti-corruption laws.
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2019 was win win for Putin, 2 weak candidates, both easily co-opted to Russias plans, with Boris it was money, with Corbyn some barely coherent stuff about anti-imperialism
 
bahtat said:
Surely concern should be for the poor buggers who can’t afford to get out not those who can and do
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I'm not saying it is a good thing, just pointing out the truth that the best educated and resourced get out first. Whether that is true in Ukraine I don't know, but the idea that refugees are a massive burden just isn't true in my experience
 
Billy Fish said:
Not followed the nonsense but surely there's enough other threads over on the politics board to sound off about Brexit on without having to disrupt a thread of such importance to the world at large.
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If you read people like Fiona Hill (linked serveral times in this thread) Russia has been fighting a mult-front war against the West for a very long time. Brexit and Trump were parts of that.

What I find really odd is that there are 2 or 3 posters on this thread who spammed endlessly with pro-Putin propaganda (some of them have gone quiet over the last 24 hrs)

The people who complain so loudly about any discussion of Brexit were quite happy with pro-Putin spam, but got sobby if anyone talked about Brexit

I wonder why?
 
Lankester Merrin said:
There is a concerted attempt, on this thread, and more generally, to exclude from discussion the links between Russian interference in the Brexit vote, Russian interference in Trumps election, Russian interference in Belarus and Russian interference in Ukraine

All of these are the actions of a hostile power - an enemy that is implacably opposed to our values - liberal democracy, tolerant inclusive diverse societies, well educated, and with free speech

Clearly they don't share those values
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I think that's way off the mark. I've seen genuine requests for the thread to be split in two, one for political debate (back to the politics board) and one for news about war itself on the main board.
 
Lankester Merrin said:
If you read people like Fiona Hill (linked serveral times in this thread) Russia has been fighting a mult-front war against the West for a very long time. Brexit and Trump were parts of that.

What I find really odd is that there are 2 or 3 posters on this thread who spammed endlessly with pro-Putin propaganda (some of them have gone quiet over the last 24 hrs)

The people who complain so loudly about any discussion of Brexit were quite happy with pro-Putin spam, but got sobby if anyone talked about Brexit

I wonder why?
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You can talk about Fiona Hill. But just the bits some people agree with lad. Mental :lol:
 
Billy Fish said:
Not followed the nonsense but surely there's enough other threads over on the politics board to sound off about Brexit on without having to disrupt a thread of such importance to the world at large.
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“the world at large” is a political thing. Unless you’re talking about the actual mineral make up of the earth? In which case this isn’t the thread for you
 
chunksafc said:
The minute he steps foot in a NATO country the planes would be up and heading for him.

Nuclear threat or not NATO would respond and there is no way his army could cope
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I’m genuinely not convinced. I’m really not.

I think even if he went into a Baltic state NATO and the West would think very carefully about a proportionate response.

Imagine a scenario where he goes into Estonia. Russian diplomatic and political back channels are briefing the West that even they can’t control him. He is 70, is hell bent on his legacy being a Russian leaning Eastern Europe and if you challenge him he will invoke his nuclear arsenal.

There is a military doctrine for this because it’s exactly what Nixon used with the Soviets to great effect and Putin has already started to demonstrate similar with his public statements.

Whether it’s true or not is another thing. But it’s a very effective strategy where he could portray basically being a Global Geo Political suicide bomber. Give me what I want or I take it all down.

Do you really think the sane, logical, rationale politicians in the West would genuinely sign off on a potential scorched Earth policy? Only if they knew catogorically he was bluffing or any order he made would be ignored by his own generals.

I can see personally a sliding scale of NATO response even if he goes into the Baltic’s because Putin has a very effective tool in his armour. That he might just be mad enough to do it. Massive call in that case for the West and I can’t see them unleashing the full power of NATO to avoid it depending on the circumstances
 
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APH said:
I think that's way off the mark. I've seen genuine requests for the thread to be split in two, one for political debate (back to the politics board) and one for news about war itself on the main board.
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Which would be hugely welcomed by the majority I think.
I want to come on here to pick up information on how the current situation is developing not read nonsense from overgrown kids off the politics board.
 
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