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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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I'm just another arm chair general but I seem to remember the Coalition in Iraq, took out the air defense, Saddam hit is air force and there was a massive "shock & awe' air attack before the 500k ground troops went in with state of the art equipment

The Iraqi's had a demoralised conscript army

Russia is attacking a well equipped highly motivated defence force, on pretty shitty terrain with its air force very much in play using a conscript army and what seems to be some pretty ropey gear

I'm wondering if one or two of Putins generals might be heading for a gulag sometime soon
 
Our government are an absolute disgrace. Act only in their own selfish interest and in those of their sponsors.

We've been had by the Kremlin and the Tories. Let's take back control. It's a matter of sovereignty.
And even in this awful situation they can’t help themselves using three word slogans.
“Putin must lose” “leading the way”
While few would disagree with the first one, why does it have to be wrapped in a slogan, as far as the second one goes, it’s just a lie wrapped in a slogan.
I know we aren’t meant to do politics on this thread, but it seems they are almost using a war to try and win votes.
 
Seems to have been rejected already.


Hopefully the UK or someone else does it unilaterally.

Shameful for NATO to say we are not part of this. We absolutely are. It’s freedom vs oppression. And we are on the side of freedom.
Enforcing a no-fly zone involves shooting down planes. Shooting down a Russian plane is an act of war, so instant ww3.
 
And even in this awful situation they can’t help themselves using three word slogans.
“Putin must lose” “leading the way”
While few would disagree with the first one, why does it have to be wrapped in a slogan, as far as the second one goes, it’s just a lie wrapped in a slogan.
I know we aren’t meant to do politics on this thread, but it seems they are almost using a war to try and win votes.
Nothing wrong with three word phrases,Janey.

"Fuck off Boris" is my current favourite.
 
I can see that might be how this ends. Ceasefire, Zelensky and his government leave to operate in exile and (unfortunately) Russia takes control. The alternative is deaths in the hundreds of thousands, no infrastructure left and cities flattened........and the Russians still in control and Zelensky dead.
What if we all agree that Ukraine won't join NATO? If Putin isn't full of it, he leaves the country.

We can then wait til he dies/gets the boot and Ukraine can join later.
 
I'm just another arm chair general but I seem to remember the Coalition in Iraq, took out the air defense, Saddam hit is air force and there was a massive "shock & awe' air attack before the 500k ground troops went in with state of the art equipment

The Iraqi's had a demoralised conscript army

Russia is attacking a well equipped highly motivated defence force, on pretty shitty terrain with its air force very much in play using a conscript army and what seems to be some pretty ropey gear

I'm wondering if one or two of Putins generals might be heading for a gulag sometime soon
I suspect all they have is ropey gear. Hard to tell if its true, but I've seen posts in Ukraine that are meant to be Russian army rations. They were 5 years past their expiry. The tyres on the tanks are cheap Chinese knock offs and apparently are really shite.
 
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