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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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OOOSH YEAH said:
The news is getting worse. Feels really depressing at the minute. Just seems more violent every day. Can’t remember ever feeling this about someone but I really hope Putin dies sharpish. I despise him. Just seen some 80 odd year old Holocaust survivor crying her eyes out as her family are trapped in Kiev. Bastards man.

I realise this is a self absorbed post.
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Feeling exactly the same way. Fizzing everytime I think of him and nothing constructive to do with the anger.
 
UpTheDuff said:
It certainly is. I hope it’s not a trap and the Russians don’t bomp the humanitarian corridor.

Don’t forget the Saudis etc who own the bits of the U.K. economy the Russians don’t.
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Anyone who has aquired lots of money, and who worries that the people who they have aquired it from might want it back moves their cash to London.
 
gazc24 said:
Imagine living in Moscow, "fancy going to IKEA pet?" "can't ikeas shut because we invaded Ukraine" "ah well I'll just go to the cashpoint to get some money for a night out?" "no cashpoints because we invaded Ukraine" "well I can just stay in and play as Spartak Moscow on fifa" "they've been removed from fifa because we invaded Ukraine"....... "I'm starting to think invading Ukraine wasn't a great idea"
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Imagine thinking antagonising an absolute madman is a sensible idea. Imagine thinking that an aggressive response will not trigger an even more aggressive response in return.

Imagine being in a position where the best way to defeat this person was to play the longer game and construct a scenario whereby he is removed from power before he could act rather than choosing a more heartfelt response.

I’d love to challenge Putin and his army in a very conventional way, the problem here is he seems to be f***ing up of his own accord in a country which he deemed to be a walk over. Put a more disciplined army in front of his and they will be embarrassed. Which leads to escalation and the unthinkable.

Imagine thinking that attacking them because they are easy to defeat on the ground in the Ukraine is the best option we have.
 
gazc24 said:
Imagine living in Moscow, "fancy going to IKEA pet?" "can't ikeas shut because we invaded Ukraine" "ah well I'll just go to the cashpoint to get some money for a night out?" "no cashpoints because we invaded Ukraine" "well I can just stay in and play as Spartak Moscow on fifa" "they've been removed from fifa because we invaded Ukraine"....... "I'm starting to think invading Ukraine wasn't a great idea"
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Never been a fan of IKEA. During the Cold War a lot of their stuff was produced in East Germany.....in Stassi run prison camps.
 
Hugh Gains said:
NATO a defence alliance, that creeps east after saying it wouldn't, suffocating the Russia state along it's borders and bringing the weapons of a super power closer and closer to it's borders. You'd don't see how that's an issue to the Russians.




Once the Ukraine was brought into the fold through the IMF and given bilateral loan guarantees from the US, the strings were attached. At that point, whoever is elected is beholden to the West. Joe Biden explained how US money can be used to influence internal Ukrainian decision making "either fire him or you're not getting the billion dollars."

In the Washington Post in 2015 by Fiona Hill, a NSC member and European and Russian affairs expert, she said this.

In Putin’s view, the United States, the European Union and NATO have launched an economic and proxy war in Ukraine to weaken Russia and push it into a corner. As Valery Gerasimov, chief of staff of the Russian armed forces, has underscored, this is a hybrid, 21st-century conflict, in which financial sanctions, support for oppositional political movements and propaganda have all been transformed from diplomatic tools to instruments of war. Putin likely believes that any concession or compromise he makes will encourage the West to push further.

We've been playing a game with Ukraine, and Putin made his move, right or wrong. But, we knew the crash course this was on and did nothing to stop it, and only instigated it further.
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Right or wrong? Right or f***ing wrong? What a colossal twat you are.
 
Hugh Gains said:
See I'm going to disagree with you here, the idea that NATO, the West and specifically the US are the 'good guys' is impalpable. They will do and have done in the past what's best for them, as one would expect but this does not make their actions moral or virtuous.

Singling out Iraq and Libya, involvement in these two conflicts was not as you described and was never about removing a dictator and saving people from totalitarian regimes.

In regards to Russia being the bad guy, if you're going to use child like analogies would you not assume Russians see themselves as the good guy and the West as the bad guys?

The West (NATO) have crept east since the second world war and even more so since the fall of the Soviet Union. If you don't think that American imperialism, eastward expansion and American international dominance/influence aren't factors in this unfolding tragedy then I'm lost.

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This conflict is hardly unprovoked or unexpected, greater minds than you and I discuss this in length above.
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This is a series of pro-Putin talking points that have been circulated on social media and amplified by Russian bot-nets

Inevitably some daftie comes on here and types them out because they think they sound controversial or edgy.

I don't understand why mods like @Pancho will stop nakedly political arguments, but will allow nonsense like this

Are we allowing Russian propaganda to be posted unchallenged, but censor people who try and argue against it?
 
gazc24 said:
Imagine living in Moscow, "fancy going to IKEA pet?" "can't ikeas shut because we invaded Ukraine" "ah well I'll just go to the cashpoint to get some money for a night out?" "no cashpoints because we invaded Ukraine" "well I can just stay in and play as Spartak Moscow on fifa" "they've been removed from fifa because we invaded Ukraine"....... "I'm starting to think invading Ukraine wasn't a great idea"
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Have to hope the Russian police don’t hear them calling it an invasion. That’s a five year prison sentence now!
 
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