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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Paddy O'Dors said:
I was thinking more David McCallum, who has a history of playing a Russian spy ironically.
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Illya Kuryakin 😂
Just listened to the Russian foreign minister giving the "truthful" version of what's happening. Jesus, the whole world can see it but Comical Alison stands there with a straight face spouting absolute bollocks.
 
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woodlebert said:
I think it just seems a bit odd that you've picked out that one word to argue over, like that's the most important word in the thread
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There is a distinguishable difference between systematic killing and the civilians dying in a conflict.

You have to see that.

Systematic killing is on par with genocide and hideously insidious war crimes. How are the bombings of Kharkiv and Mariupol different to Baghdad, Libya and Yugoslavia?
 
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HarrogateMackem said:
Would it be out the question that forces would send a few of their elite soldiers in as 'plain clothed' "foreign fighters", in order to train and bolster defenses?
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Yes. Imagine if one or more of them was captured and couldn’t speak Ukrainian…
There’s also the fact that they aren’t covered by Geneva protocols iirc.
 
Hugh Gains said:
There is a distinguishable difference between systematic killing and the civilians dying in a conflict.

You have to see that.

Systematic killing is on par with genocide and hideously insidious war crimes. How are the bombings of Kharkiv and Mariupol different to Baghdad, Libya and Yugoslavia?
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You're doing it now! I understand exactly what you're saying, yes
 
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There is a distinguishable difference between systematic killing and the civilians dying in a conflict.

You have to see that.

Systematic killing is on par with genocide and hideously insidious war crimes. How are the bombings of Kharkiv and Mariupol different to Baghdad, Libya and Yugoslavia?
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What about amnesty’s claims further up ? “Indiscriminate” they quoted.

The Russian army are fecked.
 
archfiend said:
What about amnesty’s claims further up ? “Indiscriminate” they quoted.

The Russian army are fecked.
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They're besieging a city are they not? And again how is this different to Libya, Baghdad and Yugoslavia.

You can be anti-Russian whilst at the same time acknowledging this.
 
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There is a distinguishable difference between systematic killing and the civilians dying in a conflict.

You have to see that.

Systematic killing is on par with genocide and hideously insidious war crimes. How are the bombings of Kharkiv and Mariupol different to Baghdad, Libya and Yugoslavia?
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If its on Ukrainian soil and been invited and enlist into the international foreign legion, surely that is wrong that its not POW status if captured?

I would expect the French foreign legion to be protected under law as POW, why not a Ukrainian one?
 
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There is a distinguishable difference between systematic killing and the civilians dying in a conflict.

You have to see that.

Systematic killing is on par with genocide and hideously insidious war crimes. How are the bombings of Kharkiv and Mariupol different to Baghdad, Libya and Yugoslavia?
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just because Russia says that foreign fighters will be classed as mercenaries does'nt make the statement true

for ex - FFL POWs in WW2 were'nt treated as mercenaries

the only worry is that Brit volunteers might fall foul of the Foreign Enlistment Act
 
archfiend said:
I would expect a modern army to be attacking military targets, attacking civilian buildings and areas is a war crime is it not ?
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The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations.

It's war, this is unavoidable hence why conflict in itself should be avoided.
 
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Anyone in any doubt that Putin is not all there?

He apparently doesn’t give a toss about an appearance at The Hague to answer charges pertaining to war crimes.

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Looks like Macrons been told to go and do one!

not at all encouraging

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Hugh Gains said:
The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations.

It's war, this is unavoidable hence why conflict in itself should be avoided.
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precision strikes are sometimes anything but - and unfortunately shit happens even in the age of smart bombs

indiscriminate shelling of civilians is a war crime
 
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