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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Seems the Russians are having to leave millions of dollars worth of stuff behind for the most basic issues. I suppose if you are in the middle of no where with no support and on hostile territory you have little choice but to abandon for very basic mechanical problems.

Being stuck in mud or flat tires and just abandoning it. Let’s hope for more mud and rain.

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UpTheDuff said:
We are getting somewhere. So for the conflict to cease the Russian army either have to turn around and go home, or be killed.

I seriously wish it’s the former without a single additional death. But until that happens, killing the invading soldiers is the alternative.

Surely you understand that?
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That's a bit more of a measured post at least. Some of your previous made it sounded like you had a massive bloodlust - it was making me very uneasy reading it.

And I'm definitely not generally siding with the other fella on this, I don't know what his angle is but it makes me equally as if not more uncomfortable.
 
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MonkeyLove said:
Seems the Russians are having to leave millions of dollars worth of stuff behind for the most basic issues. I suppose if you are in the middle of no where with no support and on hostile territory you have little choice but to abandon for very basic mechanical problems.

Being stuck in mud or flat tires and just abandoning it. Let’s hope for more mud and rain.

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You'd think the Ukranians would water the pitch.
 
brandon said:
In fairness to @MonkeyLove that isn’t the only post he’s basing his opinion on.

@Hugh Gains spent a lot of time earlier trying to justify the killing of civilians by Russian forces.
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It is very strange. The closest @Hugh Gains has come to showing support for Ukraine against Russia is saying it is “within all our interests for the conflict to cease”.

He still won’t say that he wants to Russian army out of Ukraine (whether a peaceful retreat or through force).
 
Howard the Duck said:
That's a bit more of a measured post at least. Some of your previous made it sounded like you had a massive bloodlust - it was making me very uneasy reading it.

And I'm definitely not generally siding with the other fella on this, I don't know what his angle is but it makes me equally as if not more uncomfortable.
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Sorry I gave the wrong impression in my earlier post.

I had an even earlier post where I explained a bit more.

I don’t have a blood lust. I just want Russia to get out of Ukraine. So if Putin doesn’t withdraw and keeps invading then the only option is to kill them as quickly as they come. I have sympathy with everyone in Russia (and Ukraine) who loses a friend, relative or loved one in the invasion but it is Putin who is to blame for continuing the invasion.
 
SAFC Wilks said:
Aw f***ing hell, that’s all we need.
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It’s non military and was a passive action (Hit a mine supposedly) so the West will downplay it despite Estonia being in NATO.

That said it seems inevitable it’s only a matter of time before some incident happens being the amount of supply planes, Western reconnaissance and Russian ships and troops in a relatively small area
 
brandon said:
Another ‘actor’ doing the job that the British government are continuously failing to do.


*citation needed.

;)
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“We aren’t all fruit loops” SR7 March 2022; RTG Russia invading Ukraine thread. No further citation required. 😉
 
MonkeyLove said:
It’s non military and was a passive action (Hit a mine supposedly) so the West will downplay it despite Estonia being in NATO.

That said it seems inevitable it’s only a matter of time before some incident happens being the amount of supply planes, Western reconnaissance and Russian ships and troops in a relatively small area
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Good news.

Well not good news for the ship like, but you know what I mean.
 
Interesting piece on the Russian defence minister, no military service but wears the uniform

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I am not a fan of our government but Ben Wallace comes across as able and competent (unlike a lot of his coleagues), particularly how he keeps Kier Starmer and Ian Blackford on board. A bit concerning about the leak of him 'mocking' the Russians at the security meeting; we don't know the context but questions should be asked who leaked it and what was their intent. I dread to think what state we would be in if Gavin Williamson was still Secretary of State for Defence.
 
Enough is enough. We need to stop Putin.

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Russian forces are attempting to prevent civilians in the Ukrainian city of Mariupol from evacuating, its mayor, Vadym Boichenko, has said.

“Local authorities say Russian troops are creating a “humanitarian catastrophe” by actively attacking rail links and bridges, as well as cutting off water and power supply, in a bid to prevent civilians from escaping shelling.

Boichenko said in a video broadcast:

The invaders are systematically and methodically trying to blockade the city of Mariupol.
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Constant attacks over the past 24 hours have meant the city has no light, water or heat and local authorities need a ceasefire to restore power, he said.

Mariupol city council claimed the Russians are “hindering food supplies, blocking us like in Leningrad” in a statement.

Russian soldiers are preventing authorities from evacuating the injured, women and children, the statement said.”
 
brandon said:
In fairness to @MonkeyLove that isn’t the only post he’s basing his opinion on.

@Hugh Gains spent a lot of time earlier trying to justify the killing of civilians by Russian forces.
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This is disingenuous.

I don't see systematic killing of civilians. How is it different to below? Was this sytematic?

Yugoslavia

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The NATO bombing killed about 1,000 members of the Yugoslav security forces in addition to between 489 and 528 civilians. It destroyed or damaged bridges, industrial plants, hospitals, schools, cultural monuments, private businesses as well as barracks and military installations.

IRAQ

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to its civilian infrastructure, economy, and cultural inheritance from the fighting, as well as looting and arson. During the invasion, the Al-Yarmouk Hospital in south Baghdad saw a steady rate of about 100 new patients an hour.

Sources have civilian casualties from half a million to a million from 2003-2006.

LIBYA


This report documents civilian casualties in the air campaign by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in Libya in 2011. NATO says it took extensive measures to minimize civilian harm, and those measures seem to have had a positive effect: the number of civilian deaths in Libya from NATO strikes was low given the extent of the bombing and duration of the campaign. Nevertheless, NATO air strikes killed at least 72 civilians, one-third of them children under age 18. To date, NATO has failed to acknowledge these casualties or to examine how and why they occurred.

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But since were keen to focus on Russias alleged discrepancies lets look at some of the less easier to support Ukrainians.

Azov killing civilians?

Twitter deleted link to telegram.
 
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brandon said:
Further proof that our government are failing on the issue of sanctions.

Too little, too slowly.

Is it any wonder that people accuse them of being controlled by Russia?
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in business terms i wish they were failing on the issue of sanctions but they are not.
Most of Northern Europe is still bringing in Russian fish- we have banned any Russian vessel, any reefer vessel carrying russian fish and any Russian fish at all. That is 40% of my business so we are in trouble- as is the whole Uk's fish related businesses.
 
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