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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Have Lithuania imposed a no fly zone? I wonder how aircraft can get from Kaliningrad back to mainland Russia if they have.
 

Kevj said:
The cynic in me thinks it’s easy to ask the difficult questions when you’re not in a position to action them.
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He wouldn’t have to ask the difficult questions if the bloke who is in a position to action them had already done so.

Like most of the rest of the civilised works.
 
sonson said:
This war is an extension of a particular type of Russian outlook on the world and Russia's place with it that is several hundred years old. Even though Putin is old and irrational, his policies are informed by an old tradition and explain much of what is going on.

This is the case with China but to a far greater degree. With the exception of the past 300 years or so China has been the wealthiest and most powerful country in the world for basically as long as it has existed. It was wealthier, more sophisticated, populous and powerful than the Roman Empire at its height in the Antiquity era. It had crossbows and gunpowder 1000 years before Europeans did. It has cocieved of itself as a single political entity for about 4000 years.

There is a very compelling and well researched theory that both World Wars occured when they did because China was at its weakest point in history and unable to maintain the global balance It has done for millenia. It sees its purpose as being fulcrum to the world, its centre around which things evolve. Harmony and balance and maintenance are key in a way westerners simply can't understand because pretty much all those things we consider expedient. Whereas to the Chinese Political order they have guaranteed its wealth and longevity for far longer than any other civilisation in history. So they're deadly serious about it.

It is very much its own thing. It's vision of superiority is not expansionist in the way Western Powers are. If it were China would have comfortably run over pretty much anyone it liked for most of the history of civilization.

It's as foolish to project Western values onto them as it was to believe societies in the middle east want to be secular and democratic. China obviously has political ambitions as does any super power but their motives are not informed by remedial expansionism.

The US on the other hand is a civilisation born out of war and which has basically waged war against someone for its entire existence and seems to basically require it to justify its existence. Alternatively, if it dosent start wars, it agressivley fronts up to other nations it believes are encroaching on its interests, and conveniently Americas interests are wherever they pervueve them to be. Outside of Russia, they ate far my biggest concern to world peace, and us as their lap dogs if our government continues to be as supine as it has this century.
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Interesting.
You reminded me of this video which is an interesting watch.

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OOOSH YEAH said:
Is anyone else wondering what the fuck the story is with this Russian 40 mile convoy?

Why is it taking ages?
Why haven’t the first few vehicles been blown up as if they were it would be a 40mile traffic jam?

Obviously the big lads and the welcome party is in Kiev but I wonder why those Turkish drones could have picked off the first mile of them which would render the whole supply line pointless.

I was reading that the drones can be controlled from anywhere on the planet so we could effectively have a CIA Agent in Langley sat rendering that convoy useless From his joystick.
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Logistics are the weakness of any army, reports that the majority of units weren't given any real warning, plus the needed to keep engines going to provide power to ancillary systems means there's a damn good chance they are out of fuel.
It certainly explains some of the videos of what looks like working equipment being abandoned.
 
OOOSH YEAH said:
Is anyone else wondering what the fuck the story is with this Russian 40 mile convoy?

Why is it taking ages?
Why haven’t the first few vehicles been blown up as if they were it would be a 40mile traffic jam?

Obviously the big lads and the welcome party is in Kiev but I wonder why those Turkish drones could have picked off the first mile of them which would render the whole supply line pointless.

I was reading that the drones can be controlled from anywhere on the planet so we could effectively have a CIA Agent in Langley sat rendering that convoy useless From his joystick.
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First, it isn't a 40 mile convoy.
The company responsible for the satellite pictures have made this clear.
There is 40 miles of road and there are groups of vehicles along the road.
It's not a 40 mile column of vehicles.

The likely explanation for the convoys not moving and not being attacked is that the first wave of the Russian invasion has cleared out all the land based resistance and established air superiority over the that area.
But the last 20 miles to Kiev have not been secured yet so they dare not advance further until they secure the rest of the approach or they'll be blown to bits.
 
Traumtor said:
There was some tweet (cannot find it as it was on somebody’s Instagram who I follow) I saw that suggested that overall 100,000 Russian troops (70% of the total in Ukraine) are close to or completely out of food and fuel. This convoy slowdown could be proof of that.

Edit: managed to stumble across it again!
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Reports also of Russians having to loot shops for food and water, which would tie in with this
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
If we take it at face value (and presumably we have to, given people would know if the funds didn't go where he said they will) then putin should be very worried. I thought abramovich was one of his closest allies, hell abramovich has bought yachts and all sorts for him. I don't think abramovich has suddenly become a lovely lad, but I can easily imagine that he knows which way the wind is blowing and doesn't want to be on Putin's side at the end of it. If he's thinking it, presumably other oligarchs are as well. And if they're thinking it, you'd have to imagine there'll be people on the military aiming to overthrow him, especially if they can be the golden boy for some of the richest people on earth. Probably an overly optimistic take but so fuck, we need a bit of positivity
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Agree with this. Hoping also that you’re right.

One thing I did think given the statement, was that Abramovich will need a decent (and more importantly loyal) protection team.
 
Kevsgreat said:
Someone on TV today was saying Ukrainian fighters are slowing it down. Might have been someone on BBC, can't remember. It did make me think it couldn't get much slower though. Maybe waiting to move into Kyiv when/if it's taken?
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As far as I’ve read folk in this convoy are demoralised and have abandoned it Due to lack of food and basic rations. You have to think after 5 days where are these shitting and showering. Their morale must be low they even been sat in a a traffic jam for days without a clue what’s going on. Of course there’s likely not a lot of truth in that but if they are indeed running out of food etc it would suggest the convoy is full of munitions.

The boots on the ground seem totally out of their depth and clueless. The strategy seems piss poor. I just wish they didn’t have nukes as if our army went in without the threat of nukes we’d have taken them to the cleaners.
 
OOOSH YEAH said:
As far as I’ve read folk in this convoy are demoralised and have abandoned it Due to lack of food and basic rations. You have to think after 5 days where are these shitting and showering. Their morale must be low they even been sat in a a traffic jam for days without a clue what’s going on. Of course there’s likely not a lot of truth in that but if they are indeed running out of food etc it would suggest the convoy is full of munitions.

The boots on the ground seem totally out of their depth and clueless. The strategy seems piss poor. I just wish they didn’t have nukes as if our army went in without the threat of nukes we’d have taken them to the cleaners.
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They've ran out of juice aswell - being reported in the news here. These are basically kids being sent out to be butchered
 
Anyone know why India, Pakistan. Sri Lanka and South Africa all abstained for the vote to condemn Russia?

All cricketing nations so figured they’d side with Ukraine and democracy.
 
JL1985 said:
Have Lithuania imposed a no fly zone? I wonder how aircraft can get from Kaliningrad back to mainland Russia if they have.
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They fly up the Baltic and enter Russian airspace near St. Petersburg. They've actually been doing that for a long time (at least the military traffic has), not just this week.
 
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