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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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GCHQ about 30 miles, MOD purchasing 4 miles, rolls Royce defence site 1 Mile, major docks 3 miles etc

Yeah I’m not going to be worrying about fallout
 
Kenna said:
The small worry is that if the Russian people are cut off from the rest of the world they are far more likely to believe propaganda.
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Propaganda is much less important when a country is isolated and impoverished. Like North Korea is cut off completely.
 
Putin and Lukashenko don’t seem to be living in the modern World. Ruling by fear, authoritarianism and a strongman image doesn’t work.

It never really did. Pretty much every leader that has tried to hold onto power in their own country that way has failed. Let alone those that try to take and occupy one. It’s failed for pretty much every superpower that has ever tried it including the West.

It’s going to be horrific for Ukraine but all played out in the digital World I’m sure the anger and hatred within Ukraine is growing with every atrocity.

Not sure how he thinks this is going to be successful in winning the hearts and minds of a huge country of 50 million people.
 
Osklen said:
This is the scary bit and that the population are just seen as collateral damage now. It’s as though the Russians have said you’ve had your chance to surrender and you’ve chosen not to, so now feel our might.
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To put into context, there’s been 14,000 killed from both sides in this very same war that’s been going on for years….yet those deaths haven’t been reported in anyway the same manner.
 
brandon said:
Your only three contributions to this forum today have been to post this twice (once here, once in the Politics Forum) and to attack the journalist who broke down in tears for her Ukrainian friends and colleagues yesterday when addressing Boris Johnson.

Why?

It’s a very strange and dare I say ‘far right’ path to go down all things considered.
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Been busy sorting out charity bags and donations to send to the Ukraine as well as working. My apologies.
 
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not legally binding, we could have decided not to help, it was only a pledge, pretty much the same as with Ukraine.

On 31 March 1939, in response to
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and its , in Parliament, the United Kingdom pledged the support of itself and to assure Polish independence:
it wasn't even voted for in parliament iirc, was just a speech by chamberlain.
We could have back tracked if we wanted to and there's evidence Hitler himself didn't believe for one minute we would stand by that pledge, as we rolled over before with the Czech.

Ukraine:-
Under the agreement, the signatories offered Ukraine "security assurances" in exchange for its adherence to the . The memorandum bundled together a set of assurances that Ukraine had already held from the (CSCE) Final Act, the and the but the Ukrainian government found it valuable to have these assurances in a Ukraine-specific document.
 
Cow said:
That’s more like it, that’s what I want to hear coming out of Russia. There’s someone with proper big bollocks.
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considering Putin got him by arranging to poison his underpants
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Most dramatically Kudryavtsev provided a detailed account of how the nerve agent was applied to a pair of Navalny's underpants.
Navalny asked: "What item of clothing was the emphasis on? What is the most risky piece of clothing?"
Kudryavtsev replied simply: "Underpants."
Navalny followed by asking exactly where the Novichok was applied -- the inside or outside seams.
"The insides, the crotch," replied Kudryavtsev."
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Can i suggest your remark is a little insensitive. Or maybe very sensitive.
 
SYB_DC said:
There's an American one (a Rivet Joint, which for those without the lingo are recon-gathering and largely signals intelligence; basically, listening posts) flying back and forth over Romania near Moldova right now too.

And if you can find FORTE10 over Romania, that's a USAF recon drone.

For the tankers, it looks like the UK is handling the northern sector (see RRR9140 over Lithuania now) and the USAF the southern part (LAGR callsigns that loiter over Romania).

A few more unidentified airframes flying under US military callsigns are in eastern Poland too, plus the two DUKE callsigns (which are Black Hawk helicopters) that seem to have been up there during the day pretty consistently.

Also note RSD088, a Tu-204 en route from Moscow flying west over Belarus. That'll be the Russian negotiation delegation coming in.
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Out of interest why are these planes publicly broadcasting their locations?

Is it a message? They want the Russians to see them? But surely they’d see them without being publicly visible?
 
Kenna said:
The small worry is that if the Russian people are cut off from the rest of the world they are far more likely to believe propaganda.
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Russian people aren’t stupid, people on this board have got to stop thinking of them as some backward third world nation who have no idea what’s going on. The average Russian will be able to see why the sanctions are in place, they’ll take any propaganda with a pinch of salt.

If they’d not seen anything in the west for decades then you might have a point but that’s not the case.
 
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