Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

[Scorer]

Soldiers that probably haven't had a decent meal or sleep in weeks. Cold, lost, demotivated and coming face to face with the complete opposite.

Their motivation, like most soldiers unfortunate enough to see conflict, will be for them and their mates to survive and return to their families. That and the very real risk of serious repercussions, including death or the gulags if they don’t follow orders. The vast majority will be much the same as the young Ukrainians they’re up against or our young servicemen.

 

[SMD]

The only way out of this is some sort of agreement. Something along the lines of:
- Russian troops withdraw and away from the border
- Ukraine agrees not to join Nato but remains independent and free to choose its government
- Then dialogue about troop numbers and de escalation in Eastern Europe.

It is the only way out of this on my opinion. War will solve nothing.

It's sad really. A democratic nation should be able to choose its alliances, and shouldn't have to be swayed by the barrel of a weapon pointing in its direction.

 

[West_Winger]

But if it brings down the West’s ability to finance other stuff then it won’t be worth it. Lots of payments are routed in strange ways.

I’m fairly sure multinational businesses can afford to be a bit inconvenienced for a short while.

 

[ravydavygravy]

As sad as it sounds the Ukrainians need to get them into towns. Cant beat them in the open without air cover.

Could take years/or until someone offs putin.

 

[elder]

I know you're joking.
No need for them to stretch themselves. Let them keep on soaking it up, they're doing a f*cking good job.

it would fuck with putin's head in so many ways

 

[Deleted member 48353]

People are only interested as it's a war in the direction of us though, don't kid yourself a lot of people aren't wanting to go to war because of the people dying. It's because it might affect them.

See Afghanistan for example which no-one cares about and I'm certainly not defending the Russians but it's true what she said yesterday that we didn't give a toss about about Crimea or Eastern Ukraine.

People only care about thereselves some admit it others try to hide it through 'morals'. It's been broken for a long time.

All because governments bottled it with crimea and Donetsk etc

Still can’t get my head round that it was effectively allowed to happen

 

[bahtat]

The only way out of this is some sort of agreement. Something along the lines of:
- Russian troops withdraw and away from the border
- Ukraine agrees not to join Nato but remains independent and free to choose its government
- Then dialogue about troop numbers and de escalation in Eastern Europe.

It is the only way out of this on my opinion. War will solve nothing.

if Russia don’t win this I’d be pretty surprised if Ukraine is not welcomed into NATO with open arms

 

[Mr Redknapp]

if Russia don’t win this I’d be pretty surprised if Ukraine is not welcomed into NATO with open arms

If they don't join Nato are you backing down to bullies?

 

[West_Winger]

They abstained from voting. You can’t surmise that a neutral vote is a statement of positive condemnation, otherwise they’d have voted against. They’re publicly sitting on the fence.
I do hope that I’m wrong and they change their disclosed opinion as China has more influence on Russia than any western country.

China is never going to vote with the Americans on pretty much anything.

They aren’t going to vote with the Russians on anything and piss the Americans off anymore.

Abstention is absolutely the biggest thing they’ve done to show they condemn what’s going on.

 

[Concordsafc]

if Russia don’t win this I’d be pretty surprised if Ukraine is not welcomed into NATO with open arms

Think this war is already lost for Russia

 

[Rizla]

It's sad really. A democratic nation should be able to choose its alliances, and shouldn't have to be swayed by the barrel of a weapon pointing in its direction.

I agree but people need to face the reality of the situation.

 

[chrismisterx]

I think he's certainly under estimated the resistance. He's probably convinced himself that most Ukrainians see him as the great liberator. However, there's also the caveat that he's taking his time as he he needs as much of the countries infrastructure as intact as possible. The more destruction there is, the more it costs to put right and run.

Maybe mate, could also be if the west see's 1000's of dead Civilians on the news, more likely we would be tempted to send troops to enforce a peace, he has to play a balancing act now, but the PR war is going badly against him, we also have to factor in the Generals in Russia, if Putin is ill, maybe there really isnt much desire for this, Could even be a fact that the Army has hidden from Putin how bad it is supplied, if all the news coming out about lack of fuel and food is true, I wouldn't want to be the one to tell Putin any bad news thats for sure.

Think that was the problem with Hitler, just had yes men, all scared to tell him he was wrong, could be a case of that here.

 

[Brian Griffin]

Brilliant mate.

They’ll just use the Chinese equivalent.

Not if the Russians are spending USD

 

[West_Winger]

Think this war is already lost for Russia

I’m genuinely surprised at how badly Putin is managing the propaganda and social media side of it. It’s something they’ve worked on for years yet a bloke with a Go Pro walking round Kyiv with the rest of the government, 13 people on an island, an old woman with some seeds and a puppy are absolutely hammering him.

 

[humbug]

Most people are good.

the one thing to always hope for is that good always triumphs over evil.

 

[samsafc]

The only way out of this is some sort of agreement. Something along the lines of:
- Russian troops withdraw and away from the border
- Ukraine agrees not to join Nato but remains independent and free to choose its government
- Then dialogue about troop numbers and de escalation in Eastern Europe.

It is the only way out of this on my opinion. War will solve nothing.

Ukraine should not concede anything. If they want to join NATO they should.

 

[Concordsafc]

I’m genuinely surprised at how badly Putin is managing the propaganda and social media side of it. It’s something they’ve worked on for years yet a bloke with a Go Pro walking round Kyiv with the rest of the government, 13 people on an island, an old woman with some seeds and a puppy are absolutely hammering him.

I don’t know what he thought about invading a country who are basically cut from the same cloth and expecting a walkover

 

[monolithic baby]

It's sad really. A democratic nation should be able to choose its alliances, and shouldn't have to be swayed by the barrel of a weapon pointing in its direction.

To play devils advocate…Cuba should have been allowed to choose if it wanted Russian missiles on its soil.

 

[Visiting owl]

We are going to be at war with Russia at some point. If the EU (I’m including the UK) and the US act in complete unison we can defeat Putin early.
Am I been hyperbole or do others think that this a whole European invasion by Putin? I believe he wants the soviet empire back and more.

It's been stated many times that if the West send troops in right now there is a fear of him doing something catastrophic. Supplying Ukraine with ammunition and humanitarian needs is the way to go right now along with sending troops to protect nearby NATO countries.

I personally think you are being way off thinking Putin is going to try for a whole European invasion. Whaaaay off!!

 

[MonkeyLove]

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