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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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HellsBells said:
Stories like this - your group of mates who’ve never met, a polish wagon driver offering help - really make me believe there is good in the world. Small pockets, but really good people.
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Wagon driver fed him twice. Diverted over 100 miles and then said bye as he was off to the UK. We will make sure he has cash every month until he goes back. He’s obviously in Germany illegal atm but we can just channel stuff into his PP account etc for now.
 
HellsBells said:
But if it brings down the West’s ability to finance other stuff then it won’t be worth it. Lots of payments are routed in strange ways.
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It won’t.

We don’t need to worry about financing anything from Russia.

Russian trade is over for a long time. Swift will cripple them if it’s removed. Then you get your Russian uprising.
 
Concordsafc said:
I take your point Marra maybe it was a tad but I seen his posts as send others first now without a care in the world bit of a asking as I’m alright jack and on here from some
We can’t win as we are the worst to others we are the best. I felt as his posts was fuck the rest il be okay if I’m wrong il hold my hands up. I replied to another poster earlier who said he wouldn’t go who posted with a little more respect with a different answer.

Glad you managed to get in the TA and at least got to be a part of what you wanted.
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Cheers mate, very emotive I understand, in contrast, my mate after serving in Bosnia, would go across in a heart beat, left a lasting impression how useless he felt at times due to the rules of engagement. I also got the feeling he left his tour there "unfinished" and has a ingrained dislike towards the aggressors there, saw some harrowing stuff by all accounts, never pressed the subject with him and he isnt keen to speak about it.

I have the utmost respect for all our service personal, its easy sitting here safe and sound debating on a message board, but its not a computer game and policy has real effects on real people, its heart breaking after all we haven't learnt anything, we are back to wanting to kill each other in Europe. I do feel sometimes making a hard choice earlier can end up saving lifes, but i am no expert and it could easily make matters worse and cause the deaths of many more, damned if you do, damned if you dont.
 
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Az* said:
Wagon driver fed him twice. Diverted over 100 miles and then said bye as he was off to the UK. We will make sure he has cash every month until he goes back. He’s obviously in Germany illegal atm but we can just channel stuff into his PP account etc for now.
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Brilliant mate. :D
Brian Griffin said:
It won’t.

We don’t need to worry about financing anything from Russia.

Russian trade is over for a long time. Swift will cripple them if it’s removed. Then you get your Russian uprising.
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They’ll just use the Chinese equivalent.
 
HellsBells said:
But if it brings down the West’s ability to finance other stuff then it won’t be worth it. Lots of payments are routed in strange ways.
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Depends really, economic pain is recoverable, USSR style European expansion and fire and brimstone from the skies not so much. We might never know what it prevents but arguably WW3 is one of those things.
 
HellsBells said:
But if it brings down the West’s ability to finance other stuff then it won’t be worth it. Lots of payments are routed in strange ways.
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Innocent people are being slaughtered and we are trying to protect businesses to carry on as normal that would survive anyway.

Moral compass is all wrong
 
sambantam82 said:
The motivations of the soldiers within Kiev could now play a huge part in the out come. This is a feature that doesn't seem to get much coverage but you can imagine the resolve of a fighter protecting his family compared to one who doesn't understand why they are there or one that is just carrying out orders with nothing to gain.
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Soldiers that probably haven't had a decent meal or sleep in weeks. Cold, lost, demotivated and coming face to face with the complete opposite.
 
chrismisterx said:
I agree, its more likely to be accidently fire across a border than an invasion, I think Putin has miscalculated all this, I think he thought it would be long over and do with before the west could react and all he would have to deal with was sanctions after the fact, but its going slow, this is not what he would have expected.
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I think he's certainly under estimated the resistance. He's probably convinced himself that most Ukrainians see him as the great liberator. However, there's also the caveat that he's taking his time as he he needs as much of the countries infrastructure as intact as possible. The more destruction there is, the more it costs to put right and run.
 
sambantam82 said:
The motivations of the soldiers within Kiev could now play a huge part in the out come. This is a feature that doesn't seem to get much coverage but you can imagine the resolve of a fighter protecting his family compared to one who doesn't understand why they are there or one that is just carrying out orders with nothing to gain.
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Reubens tasche said:
Innocent people are being slaughtered and we are trying to protect businesses to carry on as normal that would survive anyway.

Moral compass is all wrong
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I’d rather see it as coming to terms with the consequencies of fighting a new type of war, a cyber war, it’s never really been done before other than as a support tactic to boots on the ground
 
The only way out of this is some sort of agreement. Something along the lines of:
- Russian troops withdraw and away from the border
- Ukraine agrees not to join Nato but remains independent and free to choose its government
- Then dialogue about troop numbers and de escalation in Eastern Europe.

It is the only way out of this on my opinion. War will solve nothing.
 
Reubens tasche said:
Innocent people are being slaughtered and we are trying to protect businesses to carry on as normal that would survive anyway.

Moral compass is all wrong
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People are only interested as it's a war in the direction of us though, don't kid yourself a lot of people aren't wanting to go to war because of the people dying. It's because it might affect them.

See Afghanistan for example which no-one cares about and I'm certainly not defending the Russians but it's true what she said yesterday that we didn't give a toss about about Crimea or Eastern Ukraine.

People only care about thereselves some admit it others try to hide it through 'morals'. It's been broken for a long time.
 
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