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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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safcforever said:
So they’re telling Russia that they need to invade them now or never.
We’ve set the bench mark, if you aren’t in NATO we will send supplies (500 German helmets) but other than that, you’re fair game to Russia
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I do hope you're better informed than I am.

1. Finland was Russia only 100+years ago. Now proudly independent but not always so. With that you learn to pick your arguments.
2. Honorably held Pact on both sides until 1992 of friendship. One sided yes but I don't recall Finland being in Warsaw Pact... Look up "Finlandization".
3. Big trade partner.
4. Karelia.
5. No big gammon nationalist thing in Finland. Some recently but didn't gain traction UK allowed farage to. Finland political system prevents it.

Happy to hear you side. Please....
 
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peil said:
They've been living next to the angry neighbour for a long time, not making too much noise.
They even stop tourists taking pictures of Russian border posts from inside Finland, cos they don't want to annoy them.

Turns out the angry neighbour is still likely to kick their door in, so why not consider joining NATO?
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They also haven’t forgotten that the USSR took over chunks of their country in WW2.

Basically, Russia f***ing sucks, and Putin is doing well on the table of worst Russians ever (a pretty hard table to rise up!).
dom said:
No it’s not
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It’s around infinity times more democratic than Putinistan.
 
Chatty83 said:
Not like there wasn't mass protests across America and Europe or that people haven't brought it up ever since. Sure wasn't much fuss.
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I can’t remember everyone threatening to invade the USA
Daily Mail readers unite against Putin when Western Leaders are just as bad.
 
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Bulwell said:
It will be Lviv probably and try to cut off the Polish/Ukraine border.

It would get interesting if Putin did attack the Poles as I think someone in Moscow would put a bullet in his head before this all get's out of hand.
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FFS "interesting" it would probably the beginning of WW3.
 
Suomifinland said:
I do hope you're better informed than I am.

1. Finland was Russia only 100+years ago. Now proudly independent but not always so. With that you learn to pick your arguments.
2. Honorably held Pact on both sides until 1992 of friendship. One sided yes but I don't recall Finland being in Warsaw Pact... Look up "Finlandization".
3. Big trade partner.
4. Karelia.
5. No big gammon nationalist thing in Finland. Some recently but didn't gain traction UK allowed farage to. Finland political system prevents it.

Happy to hear you side. Please....
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My side of what?
That if Russia want to expand into all the non NATO countries, Finland saying they are considering joining NATO, tells the Russians they have until the paper is signed to invade (if that’s what they plan to do)
 
Joe Baker said:
Push towards Lviv perhaps on the western border, cutting off the land route in and out of Ukraine towards Poland and Slovakia. That would mean potentially no more military supplies getting in overland.
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They'd have to cut off Romania as well, which I mean if they secured all those boarders then there's no point putting any weapons in as the Ukrainians would be crushed.
 
Church said:
Dom, with respect, shut up mate.

It clearly isn't possible to stay out if it. We took Ukraine under the western Europe wing, persuaded them to give up their nukes on the understanding we would help them if necessary, and here we are.
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Please. Ukraine never had nukes.

They had USSR nukes UNDER MOSCOW CONTROL on Ukraine soil.

They painted flags on bombers, briefly, but had zero operation control over nukes. They handed back neatly packaged limps of plutonium to the guy who had the button.
 
Suomifinland said:
I do hope you're better informed than I am.

1. Finland was Russia only 100+years ago. Now proudly independent but not always so. With that you learn to pick your arguments.
2. Honorably held Pact on both sides until 1992 of friendship. One sided yes but I don't recall Finland being in Warsaw Pact... Look up "Finlandization".
3. Big trade partner.
4. Karelia.
5. No big gammon nationalist thing in Finland. Some recently but didn't gain traction UK allowed farage to. Finland political system prevents it.

Happy to hear you side. Please....
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It was Swedish/Fennoscandia/kvenland long before it was part of Russia and never really wanted to be part of Russia, took the first chance it got for independence.

All this shite about the soviet union can buggar offz most of it was just conquered states that weren't there's in the first place.
 
dom said:
You’ve lost me!
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No, you’ve completely lost the plot. Our populations protest when our governments do unjust things. Then we have elections and the leaders have to subject their actions to the judgement of their subjects, including the protesters.

There’s no equivalency with Russia. Russia does not operate under any rules that allow it to be equivocated morally to the US or UK. It is Putinistan.
 
Chatty83 said:
It was Swedish/Fennoscandia/kvenland long before it was part of Russia and never really wanted to be part of Russia, took the first chance it got for independence.

All this shite about the soviet union can buggar offz most of it was just conquered states that weren't there's in the first place.
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I agree. Just countering some context for Finland & NATO.

For some people this war is closer than others.
 
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