Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

[Frijj]

Nato is a defence alliance. Nothing more.

Nato cannot get involved unless a nato member is attacked.

For fucks sake man. Forgive my French but I know that. That’s not what I’m asking, or what I’m saying.

There is nothing stopping a NATO country engaging militarily between two non-NATO countries.

Yes or no, are the lives of the Ukrainian people worth less because their govt hasn’t joined NATO?

 

[Wrenthorpe Mackem]

I asked this here. Did you reply? Apols if I missed it. Very active thread.

Yes. You missed my response.

Estonia is a NATO member. Ukraine isn't.

 

[SR7]

The lad on the left can't be more than 16

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He looks like a child on the left. Terribly sad.

 

[Napoleon Dynamite]

Some NATO experts on here mind

Must have been involved in the documentation

 

[ego-maniac]

it really is awful, its horrible to see on all fronts. I dread to think what the soldiers and civilian's on both sides are going through right now. Them soldiers will likely be tortured for intel. There are no winners of war for regular folk who are in the thick of it.

They will be in a world of pain at this very minute and will be dead not long after and the look on their faces tells me they know it

 

[FN-2187]

For fucks sake man. Forgive my French but I know that. That’s not what I’m asking, or what I’m saying.

There is nothing stopping a NATO country engaging militarily between two non-NATO countries.

I think there is, mind.

 

[Shandy drinker]

He looks like a child on the left. Terribly sad.

Is the Russian army conscription

 

[Wrenthorpe Mackem]

For fucks sake man. Forgive my French but I know that. That’s not what I’m asking, or what I’m saying.

There is nothing stopping a NATO country engaging militarily between two non-NATO countries.

Yes or no, are the lives of the Ukrainian people worth less because their govt hasn’t joined NATO?

A huge risk with one being Russia.

 

[Horatio Pugwash]

True but that Is a different arguement.

it's a relevant argument though

If, god forbid, it did come to the West's military against Russia then it would be Nato forces fighting (just not under the Nato banner)

 

[peil]

Mark Francois hiding under the stairs

He's threatened Putin with sending Dominic Cummings round

 

[Scotty]

Would you “accept defeat” if a hostile, nuclear power successfully invaded the UK, and the Americans decided not to get involved?

Hypothetical scenario. Just wondering what your threshold for action is.

your hypothetical scenario is'nt worth answering mate

its ASB - if you dont know what ASB stands for - then google is your friend (and you scenario fits the definition)

 

[summaz]

This is f***ing sickening man ya ding

 

[Horatio Pugwash]

I think there is, mind.

Iraq would prove you wrong

 

[UpTheDuff]

it really is awful, its horrible to see on all fronts. I dread to think what the soldiers and civilian's on both sides are going through right now. Them soldiers will likely be tortured for intel. There are no winners of war for regular folk who are in the thick of it.

Judging by how they look in the photo they are from the south eastern areas of Russia near Kazakhstan etc. Probably have no concept or understanding of Europe. Must be wondering where the hell they are.

 

[Frijj]

Yes. You missed my response.

Estonia is a NATO member. Ukraine isn't.

So your threshold for whether nuclear war is worth risking is basically a list of countries worth defending?

Can you not see the issues with that? The lives of the Ukrainian people are not worth less because they aren’t in NATO.

For someone so concerned about avoiding nuclear war, for a simple yes/no list of countries to be all it takes to change your mind, is a bit flimsy, no?

 

[Georgewhitt]

For fucks sake man. Forgive my French but I know that. That’s not what I’m asking, or what I’m saying.

There is nothing stopping a NATO country engaging militarily between two non-NATO countries.

Yes or no, are the lives of the Ukrainian people worth less because their govt hasn’t joined NATO?

No they are not worth less at all.

Do you want to go and give your life to defend them?

 

[Brian Griffin]

it really is awful, its horrible to see on all fronts. I dread to think what the soldiers and civilian's on both sides are going through right now. Them soldiers will likely be tortured for intel. There are no winners of war for regular folk who are in the thick of it.

Doubt it.

The look 16 and likely haven't even finished basic training. They'll know nothing.

Suggests to me the expendables have been thrown on the front line to see what happens.

 

[FN-2187]

Iraq would prove you wrong

Did nato attack Iraq?

 

[cosmicchris00]

Do we not? I suppose morals are subjective but from my perspective the developed, peaceful, democratic and powerful west have a moral duty to protect other likeminded states who are less powerful, from unjustified aggression.

Putin has rightly decided we won't risk a nuclear war.

Ukraine will be sacrificed and humble pie eaten by the plate load.

I'm not saying what's happening in Ukraine is right but Vlad was never going to let it play out the way Ukraine wanted.

 

[Frijj]

I think there is, mind.

What is there? Has no NATO country been involved in any war since joining NATO?