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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Gelan said:
We need to stop watching international sport where nutjob regimes are the hosts.
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We are hosting the worlds biggest football tournament in a country which has used slave labour to build it's stadiums. In a country that says homosexuality is illegal and they will screen and arrest homosexuals at the border if they try to watch the football there.

Sportswashing is working well.
 
MonkeyLove said:
A really interesting point here.

A lot of Russians have family in Ukraine and vice versa. One in Five if this is correct. Might give an insight in to what opposition Putin will see at home when they are witnessing missile barrages on Ukraine where their loved ones are

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Read an interview with a bloke in the Ukrainian army yesterday. He was saying when it all kicked off in Eastern Ukraine in 2014 they were taken by surprise because they didn't expect "their brothers" to take up arms against them. Was a pretty sad read.
 
anitdontmajanow said:
im sorry but this one is on the west and look who we have leading us Boris and Biden hardly Churchill and Roosevelt
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Is it bollocks man. How is it on the West?

Every country that has joined NATO has done so because they want to. They weren’t forced to. Russia doesn’t own those countries. It has no right to tell them what to do.

Stop being an apologist for Putin ffs.
 
r@mside said:
He's crossed the line, that's unarguable.

It still remains a failure of diplomacy and that come as no great surprise to me given the quality of leaders we've had in the West the last few decades and the decline in the diplomatic service.
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Perhaps, certainly adds to it - but Putins view is all the former USSR belongs to Russia. I dont think any level of diplomacy will change his mind on that one ....
 
rudd said:
WatchedRT for an hour. They are saying Putin was asked by Donbas for assistance due to genocide by Ukraine.
They’re saying Ukraine are deserting en masse and that they’re desperate.
Also reporting that there’s no evidence of any jets being shot down and Russia are liberating the region.
They’re saying water and power have been cut off to Donetsk villages by Ukraine and the peoples militia are fighting against Ukraine forcing them to retreat.
Neo nazi Ukraine are apparently stopping villagers from evacuating and using them as human shields.
Ukraine are shelling villages in Donetsk causing mass civilian casualties.

Before all this there was a half hour report which was basically an advert for their army saying how much of a good and rewarding job it is and how one soldier couldn’t wait to get sent on another tour.
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Russia/Soviet Union have never had a modern and skilful army. They just throw ridiculous numbers into a fight and are happy to pay in massive amounts of blood.
 
Frijj said:
I don’t think he is crazy enough to use nukes. It would inevitably lead to Russia being absolutely levelled by the US, UK and France. It would also mean the end of life on this planet as know it.
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This... I hope. I also think people overestimate the power of the Russian army. They may well be a nuclear superpower but are they from a military point of view? I'm not sure that they are.

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Above is a link to the military spending of the top spending countries.

Can Russia really modernise any army that big, launch an invasive campaign and hold a territory like Ukraine, with that level of spending? I'm not so sure.
 
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Crook Mackem said:
yep 100%
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China will sit on the fence and attempt to play both sides

they'll not give up the $ or £ that the west provide for their goods, and no doubt Putin will attempt to use them to try and bypass whatever sanctions are imposed (probably via mineral exports, gas, etc)

China might decide at some point that Taiwan is in play, but i think we're a long way off that (and if that did happen then the world is probably totally screwed at that point)
 
MonkeyLove said:
A lot of Russians have family in Ukraine and vice versa. One in Five if this is correct. Might give an insight in to what opposition Putin will see at home when they are witnessing missile barrages on Ukraine where their loved ones are

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Not sure if it’s a good barometer but I follow a few Russian weightlifters and powerlifters on Twitter who are all saying things like stop the war and they don’t want this.
 
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