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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Aldyyyy said:
Just seen a horrific video of the civilian on the floor outside the pizza shop, horrible this
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Typical social media mind to spin their own narrative

When Putin describes the Ukrainains as Nazi's he means these -
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Ultra-right wing neo-nazi militia who take part in draconian stuff, who are loyal to Ukraine and have been fighting Russia since it all kicked off. These are the baddies Putin is somewhat intimidated by.

So no there's not another holocaust targetting Jews going on.
 
chrismisterx said:
The west has screwed this up, Putin has used the Hitler play book to perfection.

Get rid of anyone inside Russia that could stand up to him, test the water in the the years before today to see how the west reacts, attack another country under the pretence of "helping the Russian speaking folk, get a puppet state to fight alongside him. He has well and truly put the ball in our court with either we Help the Ukraine or we have to back down, he is banking on us backing down.

Hitler said he was amazed at how easy time and time again, we give him what he wanted, couldn't believe we didn't intervene, i think we have seen exactly the same with Putin, if we had showed some balls and NATO threated a hard response no way he would have attacked all of Ukraine, like its seems he has now, he may have tested the waters by helping the repels, but this is out there now, you cant disguise what this is. I think thats why we had a couple of days of him seeing our next move, moving a few troops into rebel controlled land, testing our responses all the time, which was to sanction a couple of people, that give him the green light.

No idea what we should do now, my heart says NATO needs to defend Ukraine to nip this in the bud now, my head cant get around what this could mean, is he crazy enough to use nukes? The time to stop this was weeks ago before shots were fired, gutted for the poor people of Ukraine, my heart goes out to them.
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I understand where you're coming from in the entirety of your post, and nobody wants to be accused of "appeasement" if we are talking in such terms; but the highlighted sections of your post have the immediate possibility of escalation. A game of brinksmanship or chicken is not in the interests of anyone, and backing down from a hard threat if it came to shitting or getting off the pot would not be good at all. A time for cool pragmatic heads.
 
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Helvellyn said:
I understand where you're coming from in the entirety of your post, and nobody wants to be accused of "appeasement" if we are talking in such terms; but the highlighted sections of your post have the immediate possibility of escalation. A game of brinksmanship or chicken is not in the interests of anyone, and backing down from a hard threat if it came to shitting or getting off the pot would not be good at all. A time for cool pragmatic heads.
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where's JFK and RFK when you need them?
 
In all of this do not forget the likely inhuman suffering of the Russian people over the coming years. Their economy is about to be reduced to smithereens, poverty across the country is a given (if not already!) and since so many are talking about historical precedent then god only knows to what rule of law and arrest the citizens will be subject to during war time.
 
Concordsafc said:
Freeze the finances of every influential Russian in the Uk actually every Russian living here. Do some propper sanctioning close down all Russian businesses
Operations in the UK
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They should be interred in prison camps for the duration!

When talking of Hitler, you can maybe remember that it was war against Russia that was his downfall, the same as for Napoleon.

I do not think it is a good idea to get in dispute with Russia. England needs trade anyway after brexit. Let Ukraine sort out their own dilemma.
 
HellsBells said:
I think you’ll find that happened before and it wasn’t good. Let’s not go criminalising and hating all Russians because of the actions of one megalomaniac dictator.
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Soon be time to choose sides I’m afraid. Must put maximum pressure on Russians to sort this out. If visas are cancelled and people have to return home then pressure may build.
 
Emma Chisset said:
They should be interred in prison camps for the duration!

When talking of Hitler, you can maybe remember that it was war against Russia that was his downfall, the same as for Napoleon.

I do not think it is a good idea to get in dispute with Russia. England needs trade anyway after brexit. Let Ukraine sort out their own dilemma.
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Wondered when the resident communist would appear.
 
Emma Chisset said:
They should be interred in prison camps for the duration!

When talking of Hitler, you can maybe remember that it was war against Russia that was his downfall, the same as for Napoleon.

I do not think it is a good idea to get in dispute with Russia. England needs trade anyway after brexit. Let Ukraine sort out their own dilemma.
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A line in the sand has to be drawn somewhere though....if Putin has his way the baltic states will be next.
 
Emma Chisset said:
They should be interred in prison camps for the duration!

When talking of Hitler, you can maybe remember that it was war against Russia that was his downfall, the same as for Napoleon.

I do not think it is a good idea to get in dispute with Russia. England needs trade anyway after brexit. Let Ukraine sort out their own dilemma.
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Both of those they were trying to figur on the western front also both at war with Britain at the time. Trying to win on 2x fronts caused a lot of issues for both these two.

The Crimean war was a war won one one front with an alliance.

Now I’m not saying to yo war or invade them but it’s very different circumstances. Would be like putin going east aswell as west he would he stretched
 
Von Der Leyen on now, sanctions this, sanctions that.

They're pissing into the wind,Putin doesn't care and despite the EU saying 'they'll respond in the strongest terms' can you really see a counter mobilisation?

'Strongest sanctions they've ever implemented'. Doesn't mean a thing.
 
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