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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Wild Card said:
I guess the west is kind of soft when it comes to war, we enjoy freedom and although it has its faults, we enjoy capitalism and with them comes war weariness and on that front he is correct. However, back the west into a corner enough and it will bit back hard, it just takes a lot. He might have the stomach for war but does his army and population? Will be gutted if this descends into war mind. Hopefully we can act as one and pressure the right people financially.
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It’s all about perception mate. He perceives us as being as weak as piss. NATO is one thing but he senses weakness within NATO and more importantly to him, outside it. I keep banging on about Crimea being a test, it emboldened him and reinforced his beliefs. If his current actions aren’t stopped what’s next? He’s whipped the Russian people into a frenzy over this, they see us as a clear and present danger to their security.
 

If anyone serious thinks Putin is going to stop at Ukraine, let alone Luhansk or Donetsk...I mean come on. He's spent the last 20 years pushing and probing the West to understand its weakness, and manipulating its interest groups to cause fractures and fissures, and he's now emboldened to act because we're divided, weak and more focused on China.

Seems pretty obvious to me that we either take it seriously now or take it seriously later when he's taking an even higher-stakes move - weakness now will be simply treated as encouragement and it won't be a question of if we act but when and how serious it is.
 
Alcoholic_Author said:
I wonder how Americans feel about their lot?
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I go on American trading forums and the dislike for Biden and the clamour for trump to be reinstated and the general love for him is very surprising. I don't really know anything about Biden but i'm surprised they all see Trump as a saviour.

Although that could be a very small demographic who actually trade/invest and go onto the forums.
 
Wild Card said:
I go on American trading forums and the dislike for Biden and the clamour for trump to be reinstated and the general love for him is very surprising. I don't really know anything about Biden but i'm surprised they all see Trump as a saviour.

Although that could be a very small demographic who actually trade/invest and go onto the forums.
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I think it’s obvious neither are good options, the problem is partisanship on both sides, some lefties still think Biden is doing fine and shouldn’t be criticised.

Trump is an ex president, like Obama or GWB, there will always be some clamour to go back.
 
Medulla said:
If anyone serious thinks Putin is going to stop at Ukraine, let alone Luhansk or Donetsk...I mean come on. He's spent the last 20 years pushing and probing the West to understand its weakness, and manipulating its interest groups to cause fractures and fissures, and he's now emboldened to act because we're divided, weak and more focused on China.

Seems pretty obvious to me that we either take it seriously now or take it seriously later when he's taking an even higher-stakes move - weakness now will be simply treated as encouragement and it won't be a question of if we act but when and how serious it is.
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Ukrainian government have said many times that they are sick of this nonsense being circulated. This is a continuation of a crisis that has been playing out in eastern Ukraine for years. It is not a new attempt to take over a huge country of 40 million. Russia hasn’t got the capability to subdue a hostile population in a country that size. Even the Ukrainian government has repeatedly asked western media to tone down the hysteria and stop making up alarmist propaganda:


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“I think when the phase disappears in two or three weeks, we should do a retrospective analysis of how large, very well-known media outlets began to spread disinformation worse than [the Russian propagandists] Skabeeva and Solovyov,” the party chairman told viewers.

He proceeded to mention CNN, Bloomberg, and The Wall Street Journal by name, whose activities, according to him, resemble elements of a hybrid war.

Given that Arakhamia belongs to Ukraine’s ruling party, his rebuke of U.S. media is especially astonishing.

The fake news is destroying Ukraine’s economic power​

Arakhamia warned primarily of the economic impact of the news about planned Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. The reports on the threat costs Ukraine about $2-3 billion (€1.76 billion to €2.64 billion) every month, the head of Zelensky’s Servant of the People party noted.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
That is a concern for him? I think most people on the Continent will not give a flying fuck Johnson is heading UK and more concerned about who is leading their own response.
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Id suggest everyone is mostly concerned about the cold hearted gangster leading Russia who is not prepared to negotiate with anyone
 
MonkeyLove said:
It’s the other way round. Turkey supported Azerbaijan and provided them with TB2 drones which fundamentally won them the war.

Russia and Armenia are allies in the CSTO. It was Putin who stopped Azerbaijan going further and brokered a peace deal.

Armenia has the same relationship with Russia as Belarus, Kazakhstan etc.. but isn’t as important

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Yeah so it was. Either way they are either allies or NATO. Thinking about it Armenia we're never going to be allies with Turkey were they?
Wild Card said:
agreed, I don't particularly like fracking mind but would support a government fracking programme (not private) where the profits are ploughed into green tech in order to wean us off the tits of the the dictatorships, who hold most of the gas and oil.

We could sell the excess to the EU in order to give them a new market while they invest in green. The sooner the world doesn't need these oil/gas producing countries the better. it takes away there leverage over us.
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I think the same mate
 
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