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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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woodlebert said:
Should be posted more often in this thread!
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I think as a collective of nations we need to nip it in the bud but it is difficult to see how that could happen.

Russians have had a long and brutal history of conflict and pain and it is still in living memory that Germans cause tens of millions of deaths of it's citizens.
 
Dinsdale said:
I was reading the other day he lost a lot of support over the Crimea situation previously in Russia as the vast majority don't want anything to do with Putins vanity war. I think the dallying we've seen by Putin is him trying to maintain his macho but kind Uncle Vlad persona and balancing out his borderline megalomania. Sadly I don't think he can help himself and is about to start a pointless war which will have no winners. I reckon the knives will be out for him shortly as he won't voluntarily go.
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Always been the same I russia though. The vast majority led by the "elite" / "oligarchs" into these types of situations
 
Dogbark said:
Not much use in a conventional war tbh.
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We had this discussion the other day. Outside of nuclear weapons Russia don’t have a huge naval or air capability to match the West’s.

The Russians have nothing like our Elizabeth class strike groups or our air capability with the F-35.

They have huge numbers of predominantly dated technology compared to the West
 
Rustie Trombone said:
He's murdered his detractors

He's attacked the UK with chemical weapons

He's invaded sovereign lands

He's made himself supreme leader forever

And we've done sweet fuck all

Now he is truly emboldened and a real threat to world peace
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You forgot "he backed brexit"
 
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John the Savage said:
Stay out of what? A sovereign European nation being invaded? Because you’re worried about your gas bill.
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The energy crisis in Europe is one of the reasons Europe’s response has been what it is, and also one reason why the US have been happy to escalate the crisis.

But the Americans definitely aren’t going to intervene, so what are we going to do without them? Biden’s mate outlined the US position a few years ago, and the underlying principle won’t have changed. The Ukrainians should have realised that no one was going to help them, and they should have adhered to the Minsk agreements.

Instead they have continually escalated the crisis, although even the Ukrainian government have tried to get our politicians to stop making up nonsense about a Russian march on Kiev.

If you want to head off to the front and go shoulder to shoulder with some Ukrainian neo nazis then go ahead - don’t fancy your chances much though

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Obama’s theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.

“The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-natocountry, is going to be vulnerable to military domination by Russia no matter what we do,” he said.

I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.

“It’s realistic,” he said. “But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for. And at the end of the day, there’s always going to be some ambiguity.”

“People respond based on what their imperatives are, and if it’s really important to somebody, and it’s not that important to us, they know that, and we know that,” he said. “There are ways to deter, but it requires you to be very clear ahead of time about what is worth going to war for and what is not. Now, if there is somebody in this town that would claim that we would consider going to war with Russia over Crimea and eastern Ukraine, they should speak up and be very clear about it. The idea that talking tough or engaging in some military action that is tangential to that particular area is somehow going to influence the decision making of Russia or China is contrary to all the evidence we have seen over the last 50 years.”
 
safcforever said:
I know we won in the end but, all we did was declare war on paper at the start. It was actually labeled a phoney war for the first few months because we just sat and watched
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you are correct it was labelled the phoney war, but you are wrong, we didn't just sit and watch.

General Lord Gort was appointed to the command of the BEF on 3 September 1939 and the BEF began moving to France on 4 September 1939. The BEF assembled along the Belgian–French border.
 
Did i hear correctly this morning that Russia's economy is the same size as Italy- in fact they are doing so badly it is currently probably only comparable with that of Northern Italy- surely that cannot be the case ?
 
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