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Russia invading Ukraine (NEWS/UPDATES)

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Skellington said:
When was this?

Absolutely no chance he could hold a country of 40 million with a largely hostile population - they wouldn’t even try.

The territory he has moved troops into is largely pro Russian, speak Russian, and have Russian passports.

The Ukrainian government is under huge pressure from the right to react against Russia, and might be overthrown by the far right if they don’t. They’ve been harassing the population of the republics for months to try and appease the right, and Ignored Putin’s demands for them to adhere the Minsk agreement. Now they have created this mess for themselves.

They won’t fight back to try and get the republics back as they would get pulverised by the Russians - they couldn’t even take care of “russian backed separatists” a few years ago. Putin won’t advance either because they won’t over extend themselves either. NATO have made it clear that they won’t help at all. EU are staying quiet too as they want Russian gas.

Unless some suicidal Ukrainian Nazis try and get themselves killed there won’t be any fighting - it will just be more sanctions and more hot air and nonsense from UK politicians, and media, who despite all the pompous drivel are almost completely irrelevant in this.

It’s already over and Putin’s already won.
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You seem to have a different view to Russian experts who view this as a staging post

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pillars of hercules said:
Why would Russian oil and gas affect the UK in the same way?
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It wouldn’t we get our gas from North Sea and Norway. I think security of supply and self sufficiency in basics will be necessary in coming decades. Whether it is a pop endemic, an IT crisis or a conflict. However, that is a different topic.
EU have exposed themselves to relying on 40% of their gas coming from a country run by a hostile leader. It will be interesting to see how they react.
 
Lonz said:
It wouldn’t in the same way, but I really don’t see why Putin would stop with Ukraine.
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Because the other countries within its sphere of influence are either his allies, or members of NATO. Exceptions to this would be Georgia who he's already invaded and Armenia who he's helped defeat by supplying resources to Azerbaijan.
 
Lonz said:
More than just a whiff of 1939 about it. Terrifying really.

Very naive.
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Have a lot of family members in the military I have also been in, I don’t want to see young lads and lasses lose their lives to a my dicks bigger then your dick contest it won’t escalate to 1939 levels

Have you served or been to war. ?
 
Harry Angstrom said:
Interesting to see what EU reaction is. Russian gas is 40% of EU gas imports.
Our government needs to think long and hard about fuel and food security in the coming years.
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The European Union will refrain from slapping fresh sanctions on Russia as a way to prevent an invasion of Ukraine and will instead hold the line until a military attack is ordered by President Vladimir Putin.

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That was the line as recently as yesterday evening. The increasingly obvious split between the EU and the US over gas supply and Nord Stream 2 is one of the most interesting things about this.

It would be useful to see a discussion in the UK media about whether continuing to be the USA’s lapdogs is the policy that best serves the British people. The Germans are clearly having a rethink. Instead we’ve got the usual hysterical anti Russian raving, which is little better than screaming into a void, given how weak and irrelevant the UK is now.
 
Buying less oil and gas from them will impact their economy and depending on the level of impact it could put pressure on Putin from the average Russian on the streets of Moscow.
 
pillars of hercules said:
Because the other countries within its sphere of influence are either his allies, or members of NATO. Exceptions to this would be Georgia who he's already invaded and Armenia who he's helped defeat by supplying resources to Azerbaijan.
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I don’t think he wants to stop with just the current sphere of influence, though.
Concordsafc said:
Have a lot of family members in the military I have also been in, I don’t want to see young lads and lasses lose their lives to a my dicks bigger then your dick contest it won’t escalate to 1939 levels

Have you served or been to war. ?
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I too have family members in the military, but that’s irrelevant here.

It’s not a case of a dick measuring contest. It’s about nipping a problem in the bud before it escalates out of control. It’s our problem just as much as the EU and US.
 
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Harry Angstrom said:
It wouldn’t we get our gas from North Sea and Norway. I think security of supply and self sufficiency in basics will be necessary in coming decades. Whether it is a pop endemic, an IT crisis or a conflict. However, that is a different topic.
EU have exposed themselves to relying on 40% of their gas coming from a country run by a hostile leader. It will be interesting to see how they react.
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I think the pandemic has clearly illustrated we have to be in a position to be quickly self sufficient in essential things like medicines, medical supplies, energy and food. This doesn't mean we have to produce low value goods all the time, but more the fact that we need a plan to quickly switch production of non essential, high value goods at times of crisis. We just need to plan for the worst without living in our bunkers.
 
Harry Angstrom said:
It wouldn’t we get our gas from North Sea and Norway. I think security of supply and self sufficiency in basics will be necessary in coming decades. Whether it is a pop endemic, an IT crisis or a conflict. However, that is a different topic.
EU have exposed themselves to relying on 40% of their gas coming from a country run by a hostile leader. It will be interesting to see how they react.
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If Russian gas to EU dries up then EU countries will buy more gas on the world market, this will cause price to go up. This will affect UK prices.
 
Lonz said:
I don’t think he wants to stop with just the current sphere of influence, though.

I too have family members in the military, but that’s irrelevant here.

It’s not a case of a dick measuring contest. It’s about nipping a problem in the bud before it escalates out of control. It’s our problem just as much as the EU and US.
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We don’t have to make it out problem if this can be dealt with politics then good but they are all arseholes.

The safety of young British servicemen and woman isn’t irrelevant in my opinion. A conflict looks like something that won’t be avoided. If a NATO country is attacked then it’s a different story.

Russia are a different animal and the leaders seem to be blindly walking into something they won’t win.
 
China will buy Russian gas. No problem.

"Trade between the two countries has increased by 167% since 2010, with the most significant growth in the past few years. The increase in trade was aided by a series of energy mega projects, such as the $55 billion Power of Siberia-1 natural gas pipeline, the $25 billion Eastern Siberia-Pacific Ocean Pipeline and the $13 billion Amur gas processing plant".

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If Russian gas to EU dries up then EU countries will buy more gas on the world market, this will cause price to go up. This will affect UK prices.
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It will and has affected our prices but not our supply.
 
Skellington said:
given how weak and irrelevant the UK is now.
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You’re right, the UK is a lot weaker and more irrelevant, and of course a lot of that is down to Putin.

As a side note, how easy it is for Putin to get others to do his work for them

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Johnson, like Trump, took Putin’s shilling and sacrificed his country for the single-minded pursuit of personal power
 
Harry Angstrom said:
Interesting to see what EU reaction is. Russian gas is 40% of EU gas imports.
Our government needs to think long and hard about fuel and food security in the coming years.

Germans invaded Poland because they thought the British wouldn’t be daft enough to declare war. There is definitely a whiff of Munich about this.
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I know we won in the end but, all we did was declare war on paper at the start. It was actually labeled a phoney war for the first few months because we just sat and watched
 
Concordsafc said:
We don’t have to make it out problem if this can be dealt with politics then good but they are all arseholes.

The safety of young British servicemen and woman isn’t irrelevant in my opinion. A conflict looks like something that won’t be avoided. If a NATO country is attacked then it’s a different story.

Russia are a different animal and the leaders seem to be blindly walking into something they won’t win.
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It’s mine as well, which is why it needs nipping in the bud now.

I’m merely highlighting what history has taught us about this sort of thing already. As WWII dies from living memory, we’ve got fewer people to remind us of the lessons learnt.
 
Skellington said:
The European Union will refrain from slapping fresh sanctions on Russia as a way to prevent an invasion of Ukraine and will instead hold the line until a military attack is ordered by President Vladimir Putin.

You must be logged on to see external links

That was the line as recently as yesterday evening. The increasingly obvious split between the EU and the US over gas supply and Nord Stream 2 is one of the most interesting things about this.

It would be useful to see a discussion in the UK media about whether continuing to be the USA’s lapdogs is the policy that best serves the British people. The Germans are clearly having a rethink. Instead we’ve got the usual hysterical anti Russian raving, which is little better than screaming into a void, given how weak and irrelevant the UK is now.
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I think the UK is now a bit part player in this. We haven’t the military or the economic strength to otherwise. Germany and France will have to step up.
 
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