El Matador
Striker
Exactly.
Just been talking to my sister who works for the trust. She said...
Her and her colleagues are not happy with the tory government directive.
CDDFT
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Just been talking to my sister who works for the trust. She said...
Why has your sister, or presumably your sister's colleague if not her herself, refused the vaccine?
Who would take it on?
Private companies like the work from the nhs that’s predictable. Hip replacement, home in 3 days, angioplasty, home today or tomorrow, knee replacement, couple of days but where in the world is a for profit company that will take on geriatric care, heart failure, diabetes and cancer care all which have unpredictable outcomes and stays. And when it comes to stays, they are getting longer as there’s nowhere to send the people you’ve treated.
El Matador
Striker
I don't know. I've never asked any of their vaccine status. I think there is a lot of unhappiness with the government directive from both vaccinated and unvaccinated colleagues from what I can gather.
Gaz
Striker
I’ve not spoke to anyone at CDDFT who thinks mandatory vaccines are a good idea, even though many are fully vaccinated themselves. Lots of worry & stress about how they’ll cope if staff start going
El Matador
Striker
I believe all those things are covered in the american health insurance model, they certainly are in the Dutch model. To what level of care is another issue.
Wasn't the health secretary in the USA last week meeting with American providers ?
spoony
Striker
Refusal to be vaccinated is just pure bloody stubbornous and goes against the science. These people will surely have seen first hand what covid does so I simply cant understand their logic at not wanting a vaccine. I'm currently positive and had my three jabs. Touchwood, hopefully be ok and able to rejoin society on Tuesday at the latest. Without it I could have been in serious trouble.
royalmush83
Midfield
They might not have refused, they may just take umbrage at the government treating them like *****
That word was (unts
How can the government tell us to protect the nhs, then bladder 90k of their staff. No way that happens man.
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I’m sure some things will be privately sourced going forward but I’m sure this country won’t unzip the ethos of the nhs.however, It’s not fit for purpose and hasn’t been for many years. The demands have outstripped its resources for years but people want their cake and eat it. The country voted ( again) for a party that have proved they can’t be trusted with it and hate paying for a better service but thankfully there’s a change in power from time to time to spoil their party. Unfortunately, the alternative haven’t helped the cause either.
El Matador
Striker
I agree with most of what you say. I said many years ago no government would privatise the NHS head on, it would be political suicide. I predicted that it would be done by death by a thousand cuts, (which has been happening) until they could declare it was unfit for purpose. The current government are now using the virus crisis and mandatory vaccinations to threaten to sack 10% of the current staff of an already grossly underfunded and understaffed healthcare system. The effect of this will be devastating on the NHS and the torys know it. They are nothing if not opportunistic.
The sad bit for me is the number of people who rely on the NHS who are supporting the tory government to do this.
wisemensaysteve
Winger
So the head of an NHS Trust is only going for his jab now, I would have thought people who were really at risk for most of the last 2 years would have been vaccinated ages ago, and looking at those numbers 70,000 unvaccinated staff is a shock when over 90% of the UK have had at least one jab.
It’s not like buying us or Derby when we are on the bones of our arses, it’s about delivery of care of each and every one of us in our hour of need.
The only time however we care about need is when we need it and currently, potentially we all need it so it’s a bad time to try and sell it off.
I spoke to a bloke ( patients son who is a private provider on a large scale and well above my pay grade) the other day
He reckons that the cards are very much in favour of the workforce going forward and the nhs is safe for many years. I hope he’s right but he’s now prepared to have to push the boat out financially to attract nhs staff and his opinion is that the nhs will need to match that.he is now having to train his own workforce as opposed to pinching. The nhs have had private partners for many years , GPs for instance are not NHS. It can work
It's probably in line with much of the population..
NHS has close to a million employees I think
Vast majority of that 70k I suspect will be lower down the chain from higher up clinical staff although no doubt a fair few outliers amongst them too
Problem with doctors etc who might refuse is where else are they to practice ..
Cleaners etc could find hospitality work etc but for some it's medicine or nothing
pavarotti1980
Striker
Which means non Vax is running at about 6%
0verlord44
Winger
Great way to support the very key workers that were being clapped 18 months ago
pavarotti1980
Striker
And it also hasnt been finalised how they define "front line" either. Will it be generic by job title & profession or left to individual organisations to determine. For example my profession would be classed as front line/patient facing but my actual job is nothing of the sort. Last time I spoke to a patient face to face was about 8 or 9 years ago. So in theory if I hadn't had vaccines I would be classed as front line but in reality I couldn't be further from the front line. So much so I am sat at home working
I think the reality will be that the headline figure of 90,000 will not be the actual figure of those affected by the change. It does appear now though that new roles being advertised are requiring vaccination status to be declared/proven upon appointment
