Bloody hell
Michael Vaughan
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Cee Jay
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Do you think Vaughan has shown any shame in those past statements up till today ?
I don’t, think he’s finally having to realise he can’t just brazen his way out of the current situation.
rentaghost
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I agree and the timing is the key. He could have said this 2 weeks ago but has waited until he was banned from TMS and there are issues with BTSport / Fox. It’s self preservation.
Ashley In!!
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From the bbc interview
Michael Vaughan does not deserve to see his reputation trashed by the BBC and BT without due process
To blacklist one of the best England captains we have produced on the basis of historic and still unproven allegations feels wrongwww.telegraph.co.uk
Inclined to agree, pretty awkward. His body language is not great and it’s telling when asked ‘is he embarrassed’ about the tweets, he shakes his head while saying “absolutely”.
It’s sad to see, I’ve always been a big fan of his and his role in 2005 cemented his legendary status for me, so like Monty I can’t reconcile that person with the man he’s perceived as today.
- He would "love" to play a part in helping Yorkshire move forward, alongside Rafiq.
CatRyan
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Just listening to his interview on R5 and his frame of reference seems to be that he absolutely isn't racist and what is acceptable is changing so when he was overtly racist 3 years ago not being able to pronounce an Asian players name so calling him Steve... he says that just goes to show how fast what is acceptable is changing
No Vaughan... it wasn't acceptable 3 years ago you mad racist
No Vaughan... it wasn't acceptable 3 years ago you mad racist
THELORDRODWELL
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Maybe I am Dan Walker?!
Vaughan 'sorry' for Rafiq's hurt
Former England captain Michael Vaughan says he is "sorry for all the hurt" Azeem Rafiq has gone through during the Yorkshire racism scandal.www.bbc.co.uk
Your wish, etc.
Alreet Vaughany? (You’re fooked, btw, thickie)
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Sea to Shining Sea
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‘I don’t recall saying it. But three people have said I did and I’ll accept what they are saying and they have no reason to lie. I can only apologise as it’s very obviously a ridiculous thing to say. Upon reflection, I’ve also put out some absurd tweets in the past without careful thought in the heat of the moment. I’ve been very thoughtless and regret that but can assure people there was no racist intent. I’ve learned a lot in recent weeks and will think before speaking or publishing and temper my language accordingly’.
Piece of piss this PR lark. PR gurus seemingly get paid for handing out some really poor advice.
Piece of piss this PR lark. PR gurus seemingly get paid for handing out some really poor advice.
Why isnt he in Australia self isolation or is he doing the commentray in the UK
Mr.Thunders
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Wonder what Isha Guha thinks of him?Might send her a pic of my knob to make her feel better.
Behind Enemy Lines
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That's the problem with Twitter, say something a bit thick/ill thought out when passions were running high (as they were after the Manchester Islamist attack) and it's held against you forever.
That’s the problem with saying racist things, it makes you sound like a massive racist
most of us don’t have that problem
rentaghost
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Yes if you are a massive racist don’t put it in writing that’s just stupid. far better say something racist and you can deny it blind years later no matter how many people heard you.
Behind Enemy Lines
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The ever-changing definition of "racism" doesn't help either
Do you think the comments, corroborated by others, to Rafiq are a problem with “ever changing definition”?
you won’t answer realistically. You’ll deflect into something else if you do
Behind Enemy Lines
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I was referring to the Moeen tweet. With the alleged comment to Rafiq, there are definitely other possibilities than "Vaughan made this comment, meant it literally and wholeheartedly and is therefore a racist". You will no doubt jump to the most malicious possibility as you obviously don't like the bloke. Fact is, only he knows if he made that comment and how he meant it.
rentaghost
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No he doesn’t. It is far, far more likely that the 3 people on the wrong end of that comment will remember it. Vaughan would deny the London and Moeen comments if they weren’t in print.
Exapno Mapcase
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...and how tolerant and modern thinking Saudi Arabia is I expect
And your opinion? On both topics? Given one was in text format and another has been corroborated?
Behind Enemy Lines
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Moeen comment was ill thought out, can't see how it's racist though tbh.
Alleged comment to Rafiq - I could easily see that being made with jocular intentions and he's put his foot in it. That's the line he should have gone with even if he genuinely doesn't think he made the comment.
Exapno Mapcase
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If it was 20 years ago, and even then it would have been evidently wrong with half a brain, there is no nice way of interpreting Vaughan's comments. He has been captain of Yorkshire and England and eas in a position of power, influence and authority. That defence was wibbled out in the eighties. If I had said that to somebody at work at the same time I'd have been sacked. Nothing he says now ameliorates it. He is trying to save his image and broadcasting career and is not motivated by anything else. He might have had a role if he had co-operated with the enquiry and had immediately owned up and asked for examples of his exemplary behaviour and attitudes to be considered (unfortunately his major personal, public engagement is via Twitter and that might have scuppered that). Anyone who apologises to " anyone I might have offended" is automatically denying their actions.
