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Some of them are getting into real risky stuff here like, dressing like them, eating like them, discussions on converting to Islam, how long before Saudi values start to get sympathy?

Who needs a bot farm in Riyadh when you have hundreds of willing volunteers ready to back your agenda already. Just turn the clock in their backs and point them in the direction you want them to go and away they go.
 
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Mackem2017 said:
Well well well, who remembers Kate Stewart/Steve Wraith?

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This is insane. And our nearest neighbours are not only connected with this insanity, but are actively defending it. They will never recover from this. I dont give a shit if they win the champions league, or whatever it's called next, in 10 years, their money comes from a mental, murderous, despicable group of people.
 
It's not a case of, I must because; it's a case of, I am a Newcastle fan and supporter, regardless.

It's about anyone who supports the PIF no matter how small and no matter the argument for reasons other than Newcastle.
If you have nothing to do with anything the PIF are part of then your morals may b e sound, assuming you don;t support something else that offer bad things to their people in whatever countries.
Can you categorically say you don't? If not you're basically a saint and if so,...well, do I need to spell it out?

Only time would tell on whether this would be the case and if you stood by your stance then do you think all of Sunderland would follow you?

Nope. Just putting a few things into perspective.
Zak's Dad said:
Then by definition and by your own words you have no strong morals, principles or ethics.
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This moral issue in itself needs debating because it's a mixed case with people who believe they have them until something they're involved in is deemed immoral and yet it'll be argued as not.
Subjective.
Zak's Dad said:
Statements about "murder, rape, child abuse being morally wrong" are not subjective statements to be discussed in the light of whatever "context" you personally think is relevant.
If you do think such moral standpoints are "subjective" then there's nothing further to discuss.
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Ok let's think about this.
Do the people of different countries...in this case, Saudi Arabia believe certain atrocities are morally correct for them?
I can go on and on and on about morals of countries that don't fit our ways.
So you still think they're not subjective?
The list is almost endless with arguments about people with so called morals who then have some kind of influence in other immoral stuff.

Zak's Dad said:
But I will add one final thing - we are not "all sociopaths" as you assert.
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We are in the case of the argument that was levied against Newcastle fans being that. It then applies to all. Or it doesn't and it was said merely to incite argument.
Zak's Dad said:
The only person I've ever met who argued that personal morals and ethics weren't important and were indeed 'subjective' wasn't a sociopath - it was an autistic person with personality traits clustered around psychopathy I met a few years ago.
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Nobody's arguing morals not being important. They are massively important but are so subjective. One persons morals are another persons immorality.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
It's not a case of, I must because; it's a case of, I am a Newcastle fan and supporter, regardless.

It's about anyone who supports the PIF no matter how small and no matter the argument for reasons other than Newcastle.
If you have nothing to do with anything the PIF are part of then your morals may b e sound, assuming you don;t support something else that offer bad things to their people in whatever countries.
Can you categorically say you don't? If not you're basically a saint and if so,...well, do I need to spell it out?

Only time would tell on whether this would be the case and if you stood by your stance then do you think all of Sunderland would follow you?

Nope. Just putting a few things into perspective.

This moral issue in itself needs debating because it's a mixed case with people who believe they have them until something they're involved in is deemed immoral and yet it'll be argued as not.
Subjective.

Ok let's think about this.
Do the people of different countries...in this case, Saudi Arabia believe certain atrocities are morally correct for them?
I can go on and on and on about morals of countries that don't fit our ways.
So you still think they're not subjective?
The list is almost endless with arguments about people with so called morals who then have some kind of influence in other immoral stuff.


We are in the case of the argument that was levied against Newcastle fans being that. It then applies to all. Or it doesn't and it was said merely to incite argument.

Nobody's arguing morals not being important. They are massively important but are so subjective. One persons morals are another persons immorality.
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Take your meds
 
BigPete said:
Loads of them knackers doing it down south one glued his face to the ground.

I'd have pulled his pants down and let a dog bum him.

Punishment fits the crime and he wouldn't do it again.

Just when you thought mags couldn't get worse..

Sportswashed mags and the whataboot brigade comes to town :lol
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😳😂
 
janey said:
Yep they’ve a very very very long way to go before they even start to catch up.
Still at least Mike Ashley doesn’t own them any longer with his zero hours contracts, I mean no owners could be worse than that.
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The Mag fans will find themselves extremely frustrated and very angry if things don't go the way they expect. I. E in Europe within 2 years and challenging for the title in 3 (this is the genuine firm expectation of most I speak to). The reason I say this is down to how their voices will be drowned out on social media, in part by fans of other clubs and journos but much more so by the army of saudi digital evangelists and bots that will stamp all over any dissent, should they ever dare to criticise their Arab overlords. English soccer subsidiary of Saudi Arabia United.
 
FatDrummer said:
In answer to my point that as PIF owns 80% of NUFC and therefore they OWN the club you wrote:
Nukehasslefan said:
No. It makes them part owners. But you can argue 100% owners if you wish. It's all still down to percentages.
Arguing a lesser percentage in something keeps morals higher is basically not an argument.


This is pedantry at it’s worst and you know it.
It shows you to be what you are….a twister of basic facts.

A scenario for you:
The Slime Brothers and Queen Mandy take exception to an edict from PIF as to club policy (a ridiculous scenario I know…as if Staveley would remove her snout from the gravy train, 🤣) and shout “hang on…we own 20% of this club…you must listen to us!”…..can you imagine the 80% stakeholders suddenly saying “yes, you are correct…we have no say on this…”
They wouldn’t…QED Owners of NUFC...and you know it.
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This scenario is nothing to do with what I'm saying.
I have no control over who buys Newcastle United. It can be argued that I do if everyone follows me or I follow, along with everyone, someone else who decides to go against the regime. I'm talking about a city literally shutting down in order to effect this.
Chances?
FatDrummer said:
I’m not going to put you on ignore, because you fascinate me.
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You're in charge of that.
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It is like a lab experiment….just watching to see what you say next.
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Enjoy your experiment.
captain fatty said:
Didn't over 200% of your alleged 50K biweekly crowds at the landfill beg to be bought by the inhuman Saudi regime?
Wasn't that the whole point of involving MPs, petitions, protests etc etc??
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I don't know...was it?
 
Nukehasslefan said:
It's not a case of, I must because; it's a case of, I am a Newcastle fan and supporter, regardless.

It's about anyone who supports the PIF no matter how small and no matter the argument for reasons other than Newcastle.
If you have nothing to do with anything the PIF are part of then your morals may b e sound, assuming you don;t support something else that offer bad things to their people in whatever countries.
Can you categorically say you don't? If not you're basically a saint and if so,...well, do I need to spell it out?

Only time would tell on whether this would be the case and if you stood by your stance then do you think all of Sunderland would follow you?

Nope. Just putting a few things into perspective.

This moral issue in itself needs debating because it's a mixed case with people who believe they have them until something they're involved in is deemed immoral and yet it'll be argued as not.
Subjective.

Ok let's think about this.
Do the people of different countries...in this case, Saudi Arabia believe certain atrocities are morally correct for them?
I can go on and on and on about morals of countries that don't fit our ways.
So you still think they're not subjective?
The list is almost endless with arguments about people with so called morals who then have some kind of influence in other immoral stuff.


We are in the case of the argument that was levied against Newcastle fans being that. It then applies to all. Or it doesn't and it was said merely to incite argument.

Nobody's arguing morals not being important. They are massively important but are so subjective. One persons morals are another persons immorality.
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I’ll get banned for this but stop being such a pathetic c word and admit you don’t have a leg to stand on and that ALL your arguments so far have been massively flawed.

Whether or not gay people deserve to death isn’t ‘massively subjective’ as you continuously claim. A line between right and wrong is drawn somewhere and it’s by the UN.
 
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garyswc said:
The Mag fans will find themselves extremely frustrated and very angry if things don't go the way they expect. I. E in Europe within 2 years and challenging for the title in 3 (this is the genuine firm expectation of most I speak to). The reason I say this is down to how their voices will be drowned out on social media, in part by fans of other clubs and journos but much more so by the army of saudi digital evangelists and bots that will stamp all over any dissent, should they ever dare to criticise their Arab overlords. English soccer subsidiary of Saudi Arabia United.
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There's a genuine expectation that they will be returning to the Keegan era. There's already been twitter and forum discussions regrding the possibility of conflict with them potentially owning Inter and that it wouldn't be possible for both teams to play in the same european competition. So there's expectation they will soon be in europe. I don't think there's a realisation of how long this could take. I personally don't think it will happen based on the pressure the supporters will put on the ownership and expectation for this to happen in a short timeframe. If they are not spending 100m each season there will be unrest. You've already seen when emery turned them down after 4 weeks of chasing a manager they were having a go at the ownership for taking so long about it. They when howe went in as favourite the majority weren't happy. One supporter acually saying he wouldn't go back if they appointed him. Be interesting how it turns out but I just get the feeling it'll fall flat on it's face.
 
Peegee said:
@Nukehasslefan aren’t you tired of spouting the same old shite. You are yet to convince a single one of us of any of your arguments.
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I'm not here to convince you of anything. I'm simply debating points put to me or put to Newcastle fans lumping all into one category....etc.
I don't for one second think I'm going to convince anyone of anything. That's for those who argue it to decide what's what.
My stance will stay the same.
 
Honestly don’t know what I would do if I was a mag (except wearing a gravy stained mag shirt of course). I made excuses to myself when PDC was our manager but wasn’t comfortable with it. I honestly don’t think I could continue to support them during this period. In fact the whole thing has left a sour taste in my mouth about the prem league and uk football as a whole. I have lost a lot of respect for mag friends who continue to publicise their support.
 
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