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Why are putting up with medoricty

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Some people don’t like fellow fans getting angry and impatient. If there’s ever a time that SAFC fans have been entitled to feel that way it’s now, worst period in the club’s history.
 

10 Gary Rowells said:
OK but that was a truncated season in bizarre circumstances. For seasons which have naturally finished going out in the shambolic fashion that we did in the Play Offs could be strongly argued that it was the worst season in our history. However, this thread is about putting up with mediocrity. For a club of our size finishing 4th and failing in the play off semis is nothing to write home about. Similarly for Bristol City finishing 18th, 17th, 12th and 8th is nothing to write home about. Lee Johnson may be good at coaching individual players, he may slowly improve clubs standings but to argue his record of league finishes is anything other than mediocre is being a bit perverse. Every other manager we mention has a record of achieving promotion - Ross, Parko, Poyet, Wilder, Cowley. It sticks out like a sore thumb that Johnson does not. His managerial record is the definition of mediocrity. And he's a club that is literally 'ready to go'. You can argue he's the factor that's holding us back.
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Given City's league performance in the 20 years preceding that, it was a considerable improvement. For most of the the 25 years I've been living in the city, they've been a yo-yo club between the Championship and League 1. Johnson's time there is actually an outlier. City were not, are not, and probably never will be, promotion material. They are far from a PL club in waiting, especially now as Lansdown is more interested in the performance of the Bristol Bears rugby team.
 
Ageing Grey Mackem said:
I've not read the whole thread, but what do you expect the average supporter to do - stop going? Then he's not a supporter. Or is he merely blandly accepting the mediocrity by attending fixtures at the club he loves no matter what.

We're where we are because we are not very good and haven't been for quite a while now, through shit management and indifferent ownership. We have no right to be anywhere than where we are right now. We all know that.

Waving paint daubed badly spelt bedsheets around and ringing Talkshite or 606 moaning like fuck isn't going to change that. If people want to vent some steam and rant, this is probably the best place to do it as other posters have the correct context and can empathize.

If you want to actually protest at something specific, the only way to do it is get organised.
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I never said stop going did I. Stop putting words in my mouth and then basing a whole argument on it.

I simply said people make too many excuses for the club.
 
We can’t properly kick-off about it because we’ve maligned our neighbours about doing it for the last few years- & look how it’s worked it for them! Instead we should be dignified & carry on enjoying watching the likes of o9, Gooch and Wright
 
---Nemo--- said:
Bollocks. He kept, and improved, Bristol City in the Championship without being able to develop on enough to be promoted, he's an average Championship manager.
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He has also kept Oldham, Barnsley and Sunderland in League One without being able to develop them on enough to be promoted, he's an average League One manager.

While at Bristol City, he managed 195 league games, winning 73, giving a 37.4% win percentage while being allowed to spend ~£62m on 25 players, while being allowed significant loan signings as well (Tammy Abraham), 3-4 years of time and money, best finish was 8th, meh...
 
Mr Clarko said:
He has also kept Oldham, Barnsley and Sunderland in League One without being able to develop them on enough to be promoted, he's an average League One manager.

While at Bristol City, he managed 195 league games, winning 73, giving a 37.4% win percentage while being allowed to spend ~£62m on 25 players, while being allowed significant loan signings as well (Tammy Abraham), 3-4 years of time and money, best finish was 8th, meh...
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Why not mention not having time enough to develop a squad at Oldham or Barnsley before he was headhunted? Or the selling on of three of their best players while at Bristol. It's beyond dispute man, he's a middle ranking Championship manager.
 
---Nemo--- said:
Double edged sword isn't it, unbridled passion/emotion cuts both ways, it can be negative and damaging, or positive and supportive. We do both on here.
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Indeed, it can also be correct when used in the right way, depending on the situation of course, Both ways have there uses at the correct point in time of course.
Chewit said:
what else can you do ? Change team? It’s like having a problem family member you have got to keep supporting... but you do
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What else can I do, good question, well let’s see now, there’s always the ability to use my paid membership of the RAWA trust to ask the club questions, as in email RAWA itself and present those questions in the right way, use Roker Reports website and creat a fan post as I have done in previous eras, so or I could e mail RR and present questions and opinions plus feelings to them, there are plenty of ways now chewit, it’s not like it was when di canio was here and mr short was still the owner and the above mentioned did not exist🤔👍🏻
 
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---Nemo--- said:
Why not mention not having time enough to develop a squad at Oldham or Barnsley before he was headhunted? Or the selling on of three of their best players while at Bristol. It's beyond dispute man, he's a middle ranking Championship manager.
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Why don't you talk about the squad development he did while managing in League One at Oldham or Barnsley? It's not my job to support your argument...

He lost three good players in ~4 years? Wow! What a terrible, unprecedented situation... How did Lee Johnson survive? I've never heard of a club having to sell their players before.

I'm disputing it, so did the op.
 
Mr Clarko said:
Why don't you talk about the squad development he did while managing in League One at Oldham or Barnsley? It's not my job to support your argument...

He lost three good players in ~4 years? Wow! What a terrible, unprecedented situation... How did Lee Johnson survive? I've never heard of a club having to sell their players before.

I'm disputing it, so did the op.
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Every single side he managed he improved, that's why his career moved upwards. It doesn't sit well with you but it's a fact. He established a relegation threatened City as a middle ranking Championship side, sorry that pains you but it's a fact.
 
---Nemo--- said:
Every single side he managed he improved, that's why his career moved upwards. It doesn't sit well with you but it's a fact. He established a relegation threatened City as a middle ranking Championship side, sorry that pains you but it's a fact.
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'Every single side he managed he improved'

Did he? He didn't stay at Oldham and Barnsley very long, meaning the data set isn't great in terms of size to give a definitive, valid answer. I mean when he took over at Barnsley, the club had just been relegated to League One, they were already severely underachieving under Danny Wilson who had them 16th (and that's after being relegated from the Championship in the previous season), could he do any worse? Lee Johnson took Barnsley from 16th to 11th (from Feb 2015 to May 2015) and then in the 15/16 season he left them in 12th position (Feb 2016) before Paul Heckingbottom took over and actually got them promoted IN THAT SAME SEASON. You could argue Lee Johnson held them back.

'that's why his career moved upwards'

That's just not true... He went from guiding Bristol City to 8th in the Championship to Sunderland fighting to get in the playoff positions in League One... That's a demotion.

'It doesn't sit well with you but it's a fact' and 'sorry that pains you but it's a fact'

I just don't believe/agree with your argument and I have pointed out that out, some of your argument is actually fabricated... I don't know why you think it would pain me for Sunderland to have an 'average Championship manager' if it were true?

He established a relegation threatened City as a middle ranking Championship side

Before being sacked and then hired at a League One club...
 
Mr Clarko said:
'Every single side he managed he improved'

Did he? He didn't stay at Oldham and Barnsley very long, meaning the data set isn't great in terms of size to give a definitive, valid answer. I mean when he took over at Barnsley, the club had just been relegated to League One, they were already severely underachieving under Danny Wilson who had them 16th (and that's after being relegated from the Championship in the previous season), could he do any worse? Lee Johnson took Barnsley from 16th to 11th (from Feb 2015 to May 2015) and then in the 15/16 season he left them in 12th position (Feb 2016) before Paul Heckingbottom took over and actually got them promoted IN THAT SAME SEASON. You could argue Lee Johnson held them back.

'that's why his career moved upwards'

That's just not true... He went from guiding Bristol City to 8th in the Championship to Sunderland fighting to get in the playoff positions in League One... That's a demotion.

'It doesn't sit well with you but it's a fact' and 'sorry that pains you but it's a fact'

I just don't believe/agree with your argument and I have pointed out that out, some of your argument is actually fabricated... I don't know why you think it would pain me for Sunderland to have an 'average Championship manager' if it were true?

He established a relegation threatened City as a middle ranking Championship side

Before being sacked and then hired at a League One club...
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Quality stuff this mind, increasingly desperate. His move here was a downgrade? that'll go down well. :lol:

Show me a club he didn't improve.
 
---Nemo--- said:
Quality stuff this mind, increasingly desperate. His move here was a downgrade? that'll go down well. :lol:

Show me a club he didn't improve.
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Great counter argument, you've made some really well thought out points and provided evidence supporting them... Now I know it doesn't sit well with you, I know it pains you, but yes, his move was a downgrade, a significant downgrade at that. I've already responded to the he has "improved" the clubs he's has managed "point" in my previous post, give it a couple of reads.
 
Mr Clarko said:
Great counter argument, you've made some really well thought out points and provided evidence supporting them... Now I know it doesn't sit well with you, I know it pains you, but yes, his move was a downgrade, a significant downgrade at that. I've already responded to the he has "improved" the clubs he's has managed "point" in my previous post, give it a couple of reads.
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What's the point, I've provided the evidence, he's moved every single club he's managed upwards. You haven't shown me one single instance of a club he's taken backwards.
 
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