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riffraff said:
They get big pay days everywhere they play man ferchrissakes. To move nufc will have to pay them a lot more than theyreonntomove to the NE. FFP will impose limits on how much. You’re a lot shitter than City and Chelsea were when they hit pay dirt and ffp didn’t exist then either.
If it happens it won’t happen quickly.
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Thing is rhe longer it takes on the more frustrated the tea towel warers will become
 
keybuk said:
Well I'm prepared to admit that I've never given that much attention to human rights abuses in Saudi or anywhere else for that matter.

However I doubt 99% of the people on here that are criticising Newcastle supporters have done that either, until this deal came along.

Disingenuous, hypocritical and sanctimonious are just three words that spring to mind.

Although if this deal has made people genuinely rethink what the relationship with Saudi Arabia and other countries should be then that has go to be a good thing.
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I must be one of your claimed 1% on here who know a decent amount of what goes on there, and in other countries with brutal Islamic regimes, and I’ve posted on SMB many times about it. Enough to be called a racist and bigot. That’s fine, they can think what they want, but my conscience is completely clear. I don’t care what someone’s race, colour or gender is, what matters is that innocent people are being persecuted, tortured and brutally ‘executed’ around the world. If I can’t speak against that without being criticised, then there’s something very wrong with the world.

As for hypocrisy, and maybe I’m making your point for you here - what is hypocritical is that I was in a tiny minority posting about HR abuses in Islamic countries, taking quite a bit of flack, yet now that NUFC have been taken over by the Saudis, everyone suddenly has the same view. They were strangely absent or too cowardly to speak out when I was posting about the public hangings of gays in Iran, the stoning to death of women who’d been raped, the beheading of women for ‘witchcraft’, the tragic ‘execution’ of a young teenage girl for being a free spirit and ‘non-Islamic’ which annoyed the locals enough to kill her, and thousands more people being treated worse than shit.

Hopefully something good comes of this takeover, as you say. You do yourself a disservice by deflecting, though. Just come out and say it if you’re not happy about the takeover. You can love your club but hate the owners, you lot are experts at that! 😜
 
1879 said:
How’s the search going for a new manager?
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Happy that they are clearly doing due diligence and making sure they get the right man and not rushing the decision, never going to get an elite manager at this time due to our league position and poor squad but I will be happy with Fonseca.
 
Have you ever seen such a desperate bunch? Going back to 2009 to find a tweet from someone saying they would like the Saudis as owners

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Blue_Monday said:
Happy that they are clearly doing due diligence and making sure they get the right man and not rushing the decision, never going to get an elite manager at this time due to our league position and poor squad but I will be happy with Fonseca.
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Doesnt matter if youre happy with the choice or not. You'll lap up anything your terrorist, murderous owners serve up.. youve shown that already
 
Morse said:
I must be one of your claimed 1% on here who know a decent amount of what goes on there, and in other countries with brutal Islamic regimes, and I’ve posted on SMB many times about it. Enough to be called a racist and bigot. That’s fine, they can think what they want, but my conscience is completely clear. I don’t care what someone’s race, colour or gender is, what matters is that innocent people are being persecuted, tortured and brutally ‘executed’ around the world. If I can’t speak against that without being criticised, then there’s something very wrong with the world.

As for hypocrisy, and maybe I’m making your point for you here - what is hypocritical is that I was in a tiny minority posting about HR abuses in Islamic countries, taking quite a bit of flack, yet now that NUFC have been taken over by the Saudis, everyone suddenly has the same view. They were strangely absent or too cowardly to speak out when I was posting about the public hangings of gays in Iran, the stoning to death of women who’d been raped, the beheading of women for ‘witchcraft’, the tragic ‘execution’ of a young teenage girl for being a free spirit and ‘non-Islamic’ which annoyed the locals enough to kill her, and thousands more people being treated worse than shit.

Hopefully something good comes of this takeover, as you say. You do yourself a disservice by deflecting, though. Just come out and say it if you’re not happy about the takeover. You can love your club but hate the owners, you lot are experts at that! 😜
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I'm conflicted because I desperately wanted to see the end of Ashley's involvement but I don't think the PIF is my preferred owner either. However when he took over and they took over I had zero say in either decision so it's hardly my fault. Everyone appears to be telling us what we should do. I don't see supporters of other clubs saying they'll end their Sky subs so the EPL fails or that they'll stop supporting their own side to put pressure on the EPL or that they'll put pressure on the government.

The only resistance to this takeover in football has been from certain clubs who didn't want the deal to go ahead as it will impact them directly. The human rights problem is a side issue for them. If the Saudi's didn't have a pot to piss in they wouldn't care less.
 
Any post I’ve put on FB about this I’ve done the privacy thing so the Mags I know couldn't see my posts.
Not because I’m a coward, but because I feel so vehemently angry about this and because I am, so genuinely disappointed, in the response of some usually very decent people that I like (despite being Mags) and especially some I regard as my second family, and I didn’t want to get into arguments and fall out with them (nothing is worth that).

But, when I posted the picture of the Palace flag last night, I forgot to do the privacy thing.
If, I was a betting person, I’d have bet on the replies I got.
Taken straight from the propaganda, sportswashing script.

All rivalry, piss taking aside, I think my main emotion is just sadness that football fans have been duped into worshipping vile, murderers, because they think vile murderers are better than a bloke that had Wonga sponsor them and employed people on zero hours contracts.
keybuk said:
I'm conflicted because I desperately wanted to see the end of Ashley's involvement but I don't think the PIF is my preferred owner either. However when he took over and they took over I had zero say in either decision so it's hardly my fault. Everyone appears to be telling us what we should do. I don't see supporters of other clubs saying they'll end their Sky subs so the EPL fails or that they'll stop supporting their own side to put pressure on the EPL or that they'll put pressure on the government.

The only resistance to this takeover in football has been from certain clubs who didn't want the deal to go ahead as it will impact them directly. The human rights problem is a side issue for them. If the Saudi's didn't have a pot to piss in they wouldn't care less.
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I 100% agree you had zero say, my issue with that is for 18 months, since it initially fell through, many of your fans protested, they protested outside PL headquarters and outside the House Of Commons.
They screamed corrupt PL, they tagged any company that sponsored the PL into tweets.
They actively screamed and shouted for this take over.
If they’d protested against it, and it had gone through I’d have some respect for the “we have no control who owns us arguement”
 
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Morse said:
I must be one of your claimed 1% on here who know a decent amount of what goes on there, and in other countries with brutal Islamic regimes, and I’ve posted on SMB many times about it. Enough to be called a racist and bigot. That’s fine, they can think what they want, but my conscience is completely clear. I don’t care what someone’s race, colour or gender is, what matters is that innocent people are being persecuted, tortured and brutally ‘executed’ around the world. If I can’t speak against that without being criticised, then there’s something very wrong with the world.

As for hypocrisy, and maybe I’m making your point for you here - what is hypocritical is that I was in a tiny minority posting about HR abuses in Islamic countries, taking quite a bit of flack, yet now that NUFC have been taken over by the Saudis, everyone suddenly has the same view. They were strangely absent or too cowardly to speak out when I was posting about the public hangings of gays in Iran, the stoning to death of women who’d been raped, the beheading of women for ‘witchcraft’, the tragic ‘execution’ of a young teenage girl for being a free spirit and ‘non-Islamic’ which annoyed the locals enough to kill her, and thousands more people being treated worse than shit.

Hopefully something good comes of this takeover, as you say. You do yourself a disservice by deflecting, though. Just come out and say it if you’re not happy about the takeover. You can love your club but hate the owners, you lot are experts at that! 😜
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Great post.
Hypocrisy and race baiters goes hand in hand unfortunately.
 
janey said:
Any post I’ve put on FB about this I’ve done the privacy thing so the Mags I know couldn't see my posts.
Not because I’m a coward, but because I feel so vehemently angry about this and because I am, so genuinely disappointed, in the response of some usually very decent people that I like (despite being Mags) and especially some I regard as my second family, and I didn’t want to get into arguments and fall out with them (nothing is worth that).

But, when I posted the picture of the Palace flag last night, I forgot to do the privacy thing.
If, I was a betting person, I’d have bet on the replies I got.
Taken straight from the propaganda, sportswashing script.

All rivalry, piss taking aside, I think my main emotion is just sadness that football fans have been duped into worshipping vile, murderers, because they think vile murderers are better than a bloke that had Wonga sponsor them and employed people on zero hours contracts.

I 100% agree you had zero say, my issue with that is for 18 months, since it initially fell through, many of your fans protested, they protested outside PL headquarters and outside the House Of Commons.
They screamed corrupt PL, they tagged any company that sponsored the PL into tweets.
They actively screamed and shouted for this take over.
If they’d protested against it, and it had gone through I’d have some respect for the “we have no control who owns us arguement”
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But they got “their club“ back.
 
tynevalleyblackcat said:
As I said a few weeks back, in a relegation battle in the prem I right off the 14 games v the top 7 teams, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, Leicester and Man Utd (I know many would not have Arsenal in that list but hey)!!. You might get a few points here and there from those but it will only be a few. Thus far the mags have played only 2 of those games and lost them both (Man Utd away and Spurs at home). They play 5 more of these type of games before the January window opens. They have had a reletively easy start.

That leaves the other 12 clubs and you need 35 points normally to scrape survival by the skin of your teeth. So they would need to get a return of around 1.5 points per game v all those other clubs. Thus far they have played 7 of those games and got 4 draws and 3 losses which is 0.57 pts per game so far. They are already about 6-7 pts behind schedule.

I would argue that even with a major investment, they are still going to lose most of the rest of those games v the top 7 teams I listed this season, so would then need circa 31 points from the last 17 games v the rest. That's around 1.8 pts per game. That's why results like yesterday are poor for them. Every time they play a game like that v a lesser side and fail to win, the equation just gets harder. They have 5 more to play before the window opens and those are absolutely critical. If they end up with 4 or 5 points from those 5 then the transformation in January will need to be spectacular as the odds will be firmly stacked against them.
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I love a happy post.
 
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