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ALL NUFC and Sportwashing stuff in here. (Threads will be merged)

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Funny how blind passion fucks up your moral compass.

A lot of these Mag fans will be privately appalled, but the vague prospect of future glories means that human rights considerations can basically fuck right off.
 
Howard the Duck said:
I know the point you’re trying to make. It’s still bollocks. There’s no equivalence between being anti discrimination (or even pro BLM if you’re going to insist that’s what the knee is for, which you no doubt will, even though it’s not as has been explained a million times) and being anti the Saudi regime and the atrocities they commit.
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It’s exactly equivalent. You aren’t allowed a nuanced opinion on racism as there is no reasonable person expectation. If 1 person finds it racist it’s racist. It’s based on CRT.
 
mag in peace said:
No we didn't, we fought to highlight the unfair influence that the top 6 have over the rest of the league. Something that was later proven to be warranted as they tried to push through the ESL.

The takeover was obviously the platform that initially allowed this to be explored but was not the only aim. I'm all for Tracey Crouch's findings and for an independent regulator.
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What a crock of shit. You threw your toys out of the pram, stamped your feet and held your breath till you passed out to get your own way. Well you got it so take the shit heading your way, it’s fully deserved.
 
Penshaw Mackem II said:
I was illustrating how the state/ police is now used to shut down, what should be a genuine discussion about those in power and their actions and whether they are compatible with doing business in the uk.

it was also a comment on how these discussions are turned quickly in to binary slagging matches on social media, look how quickly this thread has been shifted from a genuine discussion of the regime in to a slagging match where two binary opinions are formed and you are either on the ‘right or wrong side’. This is how this discussion will be conducted in the media.

I was also commenting on the irony of this banner has been discussed on here in an open way whereas other discussions on here, specifically about taking the knee and Covid have been filled with horrible and hateful binary discussions that don’t allow for a nuanced position at all.

of coarse I don’t believe any of the bollocks I said above, I just wanted to make a point. This is part of a wider problem and I think the tread would benefit from de compartmentalising the story and looking at it in a wider context.
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Why waste the racism argument by blurring the target? If your judging it to be a racist banner by its depictions of a sword weilding Saudi Prince then the spate if cartoons printed in the mass media would be commiting the same sin.

You're simply repeating their diversionary tactic and it only serves to dilute our genuine misgivings. It makes us wary of protesting for fear of being falsely accused.

We fall for pretty much the same tactic that has been so expertly perfected by The Israeli Government in maintaining that all criticism of the Israeli Government's actions or any criticism of Zionism is anti-semitic. It clearly isn't but the bots that spring up everywhere at the minimum sign of dissent would have us believe otherwise.
 
I'm Spartacus said:
What a crock of shit. You threw your toys out of the pram, stamped your feet and held your breath till you passed out to get your own way. Well you got it so take the shit heading your way, it’s fully deserved.
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The petition that over 100,000 of them signed had a paragraph basically saying what a top bloke MBS is. But aye, it was all about fighting the injustice of the top 6’s influence.
 
KarenDent said:
It is but the rest of the country don’t know this, when nation wide radio phone ins refer to the mags and claim all geordies are NUFC fans I never hear Sunderland supporting Geordies correcting them. If they feel so bad about bring lumped in an occasional Geordie voice putting them right wouldn’t go amiss. I can’t do it I’m as I’m a wearsider. Over to you Geordie SAFC fans.
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On the one hand Geordie Nation was a PR masterclass by fat weasel Sir John Hall

On the other it led the rest of the country to believe all Geordies support Newcastle, Sunderland is a small town where Mackems exist and Durham doesn’t matter at all
 
Penshaw Mackem II said:
If you don’t think that banner is racist I’m afraid you are racist and need to get educated.

If you can’t see that a cartoon figure representing a whole nation, in an ethnic outfit and accusing them en mass for being murderers isn’t racist then you need to check your privilege and examine your unconscious bias.
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I liked what you said upthread cos it made sense: Racists boo the knee so it’s bad, racism used to defend mass murderers so it’s bad.
You’re explantation here is bollocks though.
 
mag in peace said:
I'm not sportswashing anything FFS if you had read my comments at all, you would know I actively encouraged the protest, I suggested that all fans should pass the flags on they make to create a wall of protest.

My point is, that if it's not abundantly clear, it runs the risk of opening the criticism up to the wrong people. There is far too much racial tension in this country as it is, we do not need to give an excuse for anyone caught doing so. The example I gave was a post on this very forum in which already a person was saying things like 'i f***ing hate arabs' (paraphrasing, I'm sure it was worse and it was removed).

Target the fella directly. Name him. Ensure its without any questionable doubt. That's all I was trying to get at.

I've got shit to do today and won't be around to respond but will try to later.

You lot harped on as if we were talking absolute bollocks and the EPL wasn't corrupt and as soon as it was passed it is... It's easy this game. Pick up the baton yourselves. I will have no issue with holdih the PL to account.
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You say 'target the fella directly. Name him'' as if MbS is the only problem in Saudi Arabia and is some sort of anomaly. He isn't - the problems that lead to the issues listed on the Palace banner start with the entire House of Saud and their promotion of the extremist creed of Wahhabism, which is the foundation of their power.

The entire system of absolute monarchy in Saudi Arabia is a fair target, as well as all their henchmen, and as well as all their propagandists and enablers around the world. I would very much include Newcastle United supporters in this final category.

The fact that you discovered a racist comment on this forum absolutely should not shut down legitimate criticism of the above. I think suggesting that it should is very cynical of you.
 
ilovehorswill said:
On the one hand Geordie Nation was a PR masterclass by fat weasel Sir John Hall

On the other it led the rest of the country to believe all Geordies support Newcastle, Sunderland is a small town where Mackems exist and Durham doesn’t matter at all
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You see it doesn’t bother me as I’m not a mag or a Geordie the people complaining about it on here are moaning for getting lumped in, it’s up to them to do something about it if they want. They are quick enough to jump on smb members who make the mistake but I’ve never heard them criticise any radio presenters or journalists that do it 🤷‍♀️
 
riffraff said:
I liked what you said upthread cos it made sense: Racists boo the knee so it’s bad, racism used to defend mass murderers so it’s bad.
You’re explantation here is bollocks though.
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He’s supporting the booing of the knee not condemning it. It’s apparently a ‘nuanced view on racism’.
 
Noddy said:
Why waste the racism argument by blurring the target? If your judging it to be a racist banner by its depictions of a sword weilding Saudi Prince then the spate if cartoons printed in the mass media would be commiting the same sin.

You're simply repeating their diversionary tactic and it only serves to dilute our genuine misgivings. It makes us wary of protesting for fear of being falsely accused.

We fall for pretty much the same tactic that has been so expertly perfected by The Israeli Government in maintaining that all criticism of the Israeli Government's actions or any criticism of Zionism is anti-semitic. It clearly isn't but the bots that spring up everywhere at the minimum sign of dissent would have us believe otherwise.
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Absoloutely, hear hear. We need a more nuanced and adult discourse in general.

look how easy it is to move the discussion away from the valid points raised by the banner to a slagging match about race.

Its what happens when everything is racialised and the only people who benefit are those who wish to behave badly or want to benefit from the financial rewards of their corruption and exploitation of others.

But technically by the tennents of CRT which informs a huge amount of state agencies on race this is a racist banner. Even though it’s obviously not.
riffraff said:
I liked what you said upthread cos it made sense: Racists boo the knee so it’s bad, racism used to defend mass murderers so it’s bad.
You’re explantation here is bollocks though.
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Ye, I was caricaturing arguments. I’m certainly not going to defend my justifications in that post.
 
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KarenDent said:
You see it doesn’t bother me as I’m not a mag or a Geordie the people complaining about it on here are moaning for getting lumped in, it’s up to them to do something about it if they want. They are quick enough to jump on smb members who make the mistake but I’ve never heard them criticise any radio presenters or journalists that do it 🤷‍♀️
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Personally It’s easier for me to stick a post on here and I don’t listen to talk sport and wouldn’t dream of phoning in :lol:. I don’t get a newspaper either. Quite frankly our supporters should know the crack that there’s thousands of us from north of the river Tyne and that we are all on the same side.
 
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