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Guinness Guzzler said:
f***ing hell haway man. As if this has been going on and you haven't bothered to search any of it!
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There you go. It's not definite (very hard to be definite since the authorities can't really go to Saudi and arrest the bloke), but the CIA believe he ordered the murder. As someone with complete control in the Saudi state its also pretty reasonable to suggest that nothing major gets authorised without his say so. So aye, if Yemeni school kids are bombed, it's highly likely that went past his desk.

Again, I'm not saying you should walk away from your club. Keep going, enjoy potentially being able to compete. But don't throw all your morals away at the same time, don't allow yourself to be sportswashed and become defensive of an horrific regime. Newcastle is a decent place full of decent people, support the team not the regime, you're good at that! But if people will continue to turn up whilst protesting about Ashley, then turn up without a word of dissent when this bloke turns up, then it becomes obvious that all your fans care about is the hope you'll become successful (which you might not). It's not a good look
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Very well said. They can at least acknowledge this deal comes along with a bad smell.

Obviously the Saudi Prince didn't come to Newcastle on a family holiday when he was a kid and loved the place and people so much that he vowed to return one day and make it a better place - this is all simply about sportswashing and it could have been any number of clubs that were chosen (however the mags have been making a lot of noise about how hard they've had it.).

So, enjoy the wave of cash and all it brings to your club, but at the same time you don't have to accept or excuse ANYTHING that the Saudi regime has done or continues to do. It's purely a business transaction and the Newcastle fans should be going into this with their eyes open.
 

garyswc said:
The crown prince is the only person in the KSA who can pardon someone from the death penalty. He rules the country in absolute terms and 100% controls the government and the PIF, so yes he's directly responsible for the slaughter by beheading, stoning and crucifixion of hundreds if not thousands of people, not to mention, limb lopping, eye gouging, castration, flogging etc etc. Women who are victims of rape, if their husband decides, are buried upto their waist in a hole in the ground, then a huge truck fill of rocks is reversed towards them for the tonnes of rocks to be emptied onto them. Because they were raped they have committed adultery and shamed their husband.

No doubt you woukd like to see this as the half time entertainment at the ISIS arena.
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Great post

I’m absolutely convinced that the mags will live to regret the takeover by these animals. There are far too many powerful, influential people in the west that will cause issues for them in a multitude of ways

They think they will swagger to titles wearing tea towels on their heads. I don’t believe that this will happen or be allowed to happen

Just watch
 
The Fish said:
Aye and Wraith and the f***ing weird lads begging the Premier League for some hot water for his pot noodle are oddities. The fanbase desperately wanted a takeover and all that promised because of the Saudi wealth.

Some of the fans should 100% be criticised, the daft lads in headscarves, the kids with Saudi flags in their twitter pictures, True Faith got justified criticism for that awful t-shirt too.
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I just think it's on your fans to be at least as dissenting about this regime as you were about Ashley. The Saudis are trying to sportswash their image, and they're making you complicit in it. I don't expect you not to go, I don't expect you to campaign for them to leave. But the fans should make it very clear that they have their own set of morals and are vehemently opposed to being made to look like they support the Saudi state by association. To be fair, you've said the same in terms of flying the pride flags more than ever. I'd love to see the Newcastle fans raise money for Yemeni people who are struggling (I'm sure loads of our fans would donate as well, show them that the North East is full of decent people). Stuff that shows you'll continue to watch your club and hope it wins things, but that you haven't been bought. I don't think that's too much to expect tbh, and it isn't jealousy. Any mag fans who do things like that, who show a bit of backbone, I won't begrudge if they see success.
 
Guinness Guzzler said:
I just think it's on your fans to be at least as dissenting about this regime as you were about Ashley. The Saudis are trying to sportswash their image, and they're making you complicit in it. I don't expect you not to go, I don't expect you to campaign for them to leave. But the fans should make it very clear that they have their own set of morals and are vehemently opposed to being made to look like they support the Saudi state by association. To be fair, you've said the same in terms of flying the pride flags more than ever. I'd love to see the Newcastle fans raise money for Yemeni people who are struggling (I'm sure loads of our fans would donate as well, show them that the North East is full of decent people). Stuff that shows you'll continue to watch your club and hope it wins things, but that you haven't been bought. I don't think that's too much to expect tbh, and it isn't jealousy. Any mag fans who do things like that, who show a bit of backbone, I won't begrudge if they see success.
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Wholeheartedly agree.

I'd wholly support a kiosk/ a cart/buckets to collect donations for the victims of the Saudi regime outside St James' on matchday.

Saudis are using the club to sportswash, they don't need our f***ing help.
forever changes said:
Yes ! Ffs keep up with what the world knows but Newcastle fans strangely don’t ?!?!
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This Newcastle fan thinks the world isn't a globe, think gravity isn't real, thinks 9/11 and 7/7 were fake. Please don't tarnish us all with his stupidity.
 
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Guinness Guzzler said:
I just think it's on your fans to be at least as dissenting about this regime as you were about Ashley. The Saudis are trying to sportswash their image, and they're making you complicit in it. I don't expect you not to go, I don't expect you to campaign for them to leave. But the fans should make it very clear that they have their own set of morals and are vehemently opposed to being made to look like they support the Saudi state by association. To be fair, you've said the same in terms of flying the pride flags more than ever. I'd love to see the Newcastle fans raise money for Yemeni people who are struggling (I'm sure loads of our fans would donate as well, show them that the North East is full of decent people). Stuff that shows you'll continue to watch your club and hope it wins things, but that you haven't been bought. I don't think that's too much to expect tbh, and it isn't jealousy. Any mag fans who do things like that, who show a bit of backbone, I won't begrudge if they see success.
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Spot on, I tried to say something similar a while back but didn’t express as well as that.

Obviously the majority will still attend, together with thousands of hangers on, but they don’t need to go out of their way to show support for the regime by flying Saudi flags and running around with tea towels on their heads. They can easily go and support their team and make it clear they refused to be used for sportswashing, even if it’s just by flying rainbow flags instead at every game. Unfortunately I just can’t see this happening as it often the stupid that tend to make the most noise. Sunday’s game against Spurs will prove this.
 
CARLOS CLASS said:
Great post

I’m absolutely convinced that the mags will live to regret the takeover by these animals. There are far too many powerful, influential people in the west that will cause issues for them in a multitude of ways

They think they will swagger to titles wearing tea towels on their heads. I don’t believe that this will happen or be allowed to happen

Just watch
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I agree with this, Karen Brady’s comments the other day were interesting, the other 19 PL clubs will ensure that their wings are clipped. It’s an awful look for the PL brand if a team is allowed to sportswash its way to trophies.
 
The Fish said:
Wholeheartedly agree.

I'd wholly support a kiosk/ a cart/buckets to collect donations for the victims of the Saudi regime outside St James' on matchday.

Saudis are using the club to sportswash, they don't need our f***ing help.

This Newcastle fan thinks the world isn't a globe, think gravity isn't real, thinks 9/11 and 7/7 were fake. Please don't tarnish us all with his stupidity.
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Good man. That's all you can do really, show that you won't be sportswashed without having to walk away from your club to do it. Because why the fuck should this Saudi dodgepot make you walk away? Some are probably worried that if they raise funds for causes not supported by the Saudis they'll walk away, but we both know that won't happen. They've got the club for their own purposes and they won't go until they're satisfied, whether that's flipping it for profit, merely existing to sportswash, or because they want to challenge Man City. I just don't think their morals are even slightly aligned with most Newcastle fans, or those in the north east in general, I'd absolutely love to see "North East football fans raise £500k for the Yemen crisis" as a headline. Would use the platform the Saudis have given you for good, and would prove to them that they're buying into you and not the other way round, if anyone should reassess their morals it's the ones coming in not those already there
 
1879 said:
I'm a massive Sunderland supporter, but also genuine football fan.

Getting the away supporter ban overturned, putting rivalry aside to raise money for great causes like Bradley & those lads the died in the plan crash both sets of supporters have came together for the greater good.

Something has been lost for good here and I'm so thankful this hasn't happened to us but (like I say rivalry aside) it's awful seeing this going on in the English game, let alone in same region.
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good post and i agree wholeheartedly. couldn't have said better myself.

i actually wonder if any top managers/players would go there? perhaps some will have a conscience and turn their money down.
 
Grants said:
Read my previous replies, the only reason I said what you quoted will become clear. Also what you've said in quotation marks, I never said.
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On a thread where people were pointing out the death toll (130,000) of your owners proxy war.

The fact that women are in prison because they tried to sign official forms without a man present.

Women are "stoned to death" by being put in a pit and having a truck of boulders poured onto them for the crime of having pre-marital sex.

Gay people are castrated, thrown off buildings and beheaded.

Beheading is a spectator sport in the capital.

There is no penal code - this all on the whim of the Royal family and clerics.

NUFC fans are all over the Internet supporting this and hurling vile abuse at a murdered journalists widow, yet stand idly by while KSA NUFC accounts tell your gay supporters groups to "die".

Your club is being used as a vehicle to cleanse the regime and your fans are actively helping...

And your response is to come on a SAFC message board and type out "salty tears".

Pathetic.
Absolutely pathetic.
Where is your integrity?
Where are the moral values you've lived by that have got you this far?
Where are your political beliefs?

How do you square "what you believe to be right" with your silence over the actions of your new owners.

Save your "salty tears" crack for the families of the 130,000 dead, or Jamal's widow - I bet they "hilariously" cried some "salty tears" too?

Oh?
And I didn't accuse you of saying that stuff about the Ashley takeover - I said you were in danger of looking as stupid as they do now.
 
Zak's Dad said:
On a thread where people were pointing out the death toll (130,000) of your owners proxy war.

The fact that women are in prison because they tried to sign official forms without a man present.

Women are "stoned to death" by being put in a pit and having a truck of boulders poured onto them for the crime of having pre-marital sex.

Gay people are castrated, thrown off buildings and beheaded.

Beheading is a spectator sport in the capital.

There is no penal code - this all on the whim of the Royal family and clerics.

NUFC fans are all over the Internet supporting this and hurling vile abuse at a murdered journalists widow, yet stand idly by while KSA NUFC accounts tell your gay supporters groups to "die".

Your club is being used as a vehicle to cleanse the regime and your fans are actively helping...

And your response is to come on a SAFC message board and type out "salty tears".

Pathetic.
Absolutely pathetic.
Where is your integrity?
Where are the moral values you've lived by that have got you this far?
Where are your political beliefs?

How do you square "what you believe to be right" with your silence over the actions of your new owners.

Save your "salty tears" crack for the families of the 130,000 dead, or Jamal's widow - I bet they "hilariously" cried some "salty tears" too?

Oh?
And I didn't accuse you of saying that stuff about the Ashley takeover - I said you were in danger of looking as stupid as they do now.
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Wouldn't waste your typing mate.
 
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