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Fetch Fletch said:
Again, it’s simple PR.

someone has said to them, “make your first move a positive one in the eyes of football, not a sacking”.
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But, it is going to have to be one of their first football moves, possibly their first. The longer the Bruce situation drags on, the more damaging it becomes for the team's prep for the Spurs game.
 

Nukehasslefan said:
People can criticise me for anything they wish. I'm not in control of what a person thinks or does at a particular instance in time.
As for you giving up Sunderland if the same people took over. You may well do. Your morals may legitimately take a high ground on it but you would be in a minority I would guess.
Your stadium would not only be full but you would need to upgrade it and still have a season ticket waiting list.

Most clubs would.
As it stands you can argue this stance based on it being us and you not having to make any decision. Let's hope you don't have to.

One thing I will admit to.
Newcastle United become the club I didn't want it to become. A plastic club in terms of it does not need to work in house and count the pennies to just survive among the elites. We've became almost like them as it stands, monsy wise and potentially will sit among them and buy our way forward.
It's wrong on those grounds alone regardless of the political side of the argument on atrocities by owners.

But I'm not ashamed to admit that I will look forward to cheating our way into the big time. Why?
Because football is so corrupt....why not?

I'm just trying to be honest.
I can sit here all day long or all year long and tell all and sundry that I do not like the majority owners and want them out and it will matter none.
Why?
I'm a Newcastle fan and I'm ripe for the digs like all Newcastle fans will be and anyone that backs them.

It is what it is and the nature of the beast.
I will be honest and say jealousy massively raises its head with many, not just Sunderland fans.
Morality is once again subjective with many if not all who oppose.
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See and this is the argument I can’t understand.

I didn’t want my club to become plastic.

I don’t give a fuck what they’ve done.
 
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Nukehasslefan said:
People can criticise me for anything they wish. I'm not in control of what a person thinks or does at a particular instance in time.
As for you giving up Sunderland if the same people took over. You may well do. Your morals may legitimately take a high ground on it but you would be in a minority I would guess.
Your stadium would not only be full but you would need to upgrade it and still have a season ticket waiting list.

Most clubs would.
As it stands you can argue this stance based on it being us and you not having to make any decision. Let's hope you don't have to.

One thing I will admit to.
Newcastle United become the club I didn't want it to become. A plastic club in terms of it does not need to work in house and count the pennies to just survive among the elites. We've became almost like them as it stands, monsy wise and potentially will sit among them and buy our way forward.
It's wrong on those grounds alone regardless of the political side of the argument on atrocities by owners.

But I'm not ashamed to admit that I will look forward to cheating our way into the big time. Why?
Because football is so corrupt....why not?

I'm just trying to be honest.
I can sit here all day long or all year long and tell all and sundry that I do not like the majority owners and want them out and it will matter none.
Why?
I'm a Newcastle fan and I'm ripe for the digs like all Newcastle fans will be and anyone that backs them.

It is what it is and the nature of the beast.
I will be honest and say jealousy massively raises its head with many, not just Sunderland fans.
Morality is once again subjective with many if not all who oppose.
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I doubt those with a sense of intelligence and awareness of the Saudi regime will be jealous. You'll probably be the most hated team in the UK/Europe but thats ok because you'll buy loads of class players and your fans won't even think about it.
I await the next documentary programme on Saudi Arabia, I've no knowledge of one but I bet something is coming and it'll be pretty damaging.
 
sofatester said:
Serious question if it was Kim Jong - un that purchased your club would you be celebrating like you are now
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Of course they would only the costumes would be different ! They have never had a moral compass. They have tried to get games stopped with pitch invasions, they wreck their own city when their ‘ unimportant’ rivals beat them and they hounded out a manager they now pretend to revere because it suits their need to be loved by everyone else.
 
GuestServices said:
I doubt those with a sense of intelligence and awareness of the Saudi regime will be jealous. You'll probably be the most hated team in the UK/Europe but thats ok because you'll buy loads of class players and your fans won't even think about it.
I await the next documentary programme on Saudi Arabia, I've no knowledge of one but I bet something is coming and it'll be pretty damaging.
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If that happens then it happens.
I'll just get on with what I've always done. Support and be a fan of Newcastle United football club.
 
Roker Mackem said:
Maybe. Maybe not. But thats the not the point. Wearing tea towels, waving Saudi flags and openly celebrating a murderous regime and trying to justify why its not a problem is the issue here.
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That's the bit of the fans' reaction to this that embarrasses me. Some of it is misguided excitement, some of it is ignorant, none of it palatable to me.

We can celebrate the club leaving Ashley consigned to the history books, we can celebrate what the money means for the club and what the stated ambitions are. But there's absolutely no need to lower ourselves to being complicit in Sportswashing.

In reality we should use the new found wealth and attention to have conversations about what's going on in Saudi Arabia, the Trust should encourage groups to have dialogue with the fans about their wholly legitimate concerns. The flag groups should make f***ing certain the rainbow flags are big, bold and front and centre. If Amnesty International wants to protest the owners outside the ground we should respect it, (but I'm certain a depressingly noticeable number will heckle them).

We've had no real say in who buys the club, but we have a say in how we behave from here on in.
 
The Fish said:
That's the bit of the fans' reaction to this that embarrasses me. Some of it is misguided excitement, some of it is ignorant, none of it palatable to me.

We can celebrate the club leaving Ashley consigned to the history books, we can celebrate what the money means for the club and what the stated ambitions are. But there's absolutely no need to lower ourselves to being complicit in Sportswashing.

In reality we should use the new found wealth and attention to have conversations about what's going on in Saudi Arabia, the Trust should encourage groups to have dialogue with the fans about their wholly legitimate concerns. The flag groups should make f***ing certain the rainbow flags are big, bold and front and centre. If Amnesty International wants to protest the owners outside the ground we should respect it, (but I'm certain a depressingly noticeable number will heckle them).

We've had no real say in who buys the club, but we have a say in how we behave from here on in.
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Well said up to a point but that's actually the point of sport washing it's not about being a murderer today it's about changing public perception of you from now on, like letting a gangster keep his proceeds from crime but him telling everyone he's a reformed character now.
 
The Fish said:
That's the bit of the fans' reaction to this that embarrasses me. Some of it is misguided excitement, some of it is ignorant, none of it palatable to me.

We can celebrate the club leaving Ashley consigned to the history books, we can celebrate what the money means for the club and what the stated ambitions are. But there's absolutely no need to lower ourselves to being complicit in Sportswashing.

In reality we should use the new found wealth and attention to have conversations about what's going on in Saudi Arabia, the Trust should encourage groups to have dialogue with the fans about their wholly legitimate concerns. The flag groups should make f***ing certain the rainbow flags are big, bold and front and centre. If Amnesty International wants to protest the owners outside the ground we should respect it, (but I'm certain a depressingly noticeable number will heckle them).

We've had no real say in who buys the club, but we have a say in how we behave from here on in.
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Excellent post. If that happens id have a lot more respect for you lot.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
It only becomes a ridiculous argument because it shows people up for their subjective morality.
It comes down to percentages as to what is deemed acceptable or not.
Seriously?

It's like throwing a penny into an evil persons hat on the street after someone throws in a £20 note. You both get told of the evil the next day and you argue that your conscience is clear because you only threw a penny in but the other person is beyond morals for throwing a £20 in.

A crude analogy but that's the crux.
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Log off.
 
FulwellViaLeeds said:
The Bruce situation is weird mind. In her eyes, she's done a respect by making Bruce come into work while every man and his dog speculates about who his replacement might be? Even Donald, as naive as he was, had the foresight to negotiate binning Coleman into his takeover agreement.
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Feeling Bruce may not mind being sacked.

Decent pay off and the fans baying for him to be chopped is probably enough.

Tin hat in but feeling Bruce may not like working under these murderers
 
Grants said:
I understand that, like any fan cant take the ownership for whatever views fans of their club have.

As I've said previously I work for Saudi, I'm Jewish, imagine the conflicts in my mind I've always had. Now they own my club am I happy no, am I sad no, I'm just indifferent, glad that Ashley's gone.
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Did you join in with the protest to get rid of the evil Ashley?

Many fans refused to enter the stadium while he was there, others continued to turn up but gave Ashley abuse every game, which is fair enough as they believed him to be a despicable character. Many of the same people will now return and get behind the new owners and the team that their blood money provides, this simply makes a mockery of all protests carried out over the years.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
If that happens then it happens.
I'll just get on with what I've always done. Support and be a fan of Newcastle United football club.
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I've got no beef with the Newcastle fans, most/if not all the ones I know are top blokes. I also think they realise they've been put in a difficult position.
It's the daft lad majority that let you down. Dancing up and down dressed as Arabs, opening cans, completely forgetting about the bigger picture,.
 
FulwellViaLeeds said:
The Bruce situation is weird mind. In her eyes, she's done a respect by making Bruce come into work while every man and his dog speculates about who his replacement might be? Even Donald, as naive as he was, had the foresight to negotiate binning Coleman into his takeover agreement.
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Yep find this a bit weird. She doesnt really know what shes doing I suppose until she has some sporting advisors appointed.. although saying that Charnley is still there for a bit isnt he?
 
Ohnonotagain said:
Interesting reading a book on 9/11. The journalist murdered, Khashoggi, was a lifelong friend of Bin Laden. He was also supposed to be a member of the Saudi Intelligence services. After falling out with Newcastles new owner he left the country but could not take his son. He threatened to expose the Saudis participation in 9/11 if any harm came to his son. Hence the murder which the new owner denied but was verified by the United Nations. Frightening stuff, yet the Premier League say he is a fit owner, no matter how you dress up that fund.
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This will come out.

Been saying for a while now. Biden ain't finished with the Saudis.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
As i've said before. I'm not in charge of it. I'm a fan and supporter no matter what.
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See that to me is everything that is wrong with this. They rely on that. It’s sportswashing.
You can say it’s your club. It’s not. It’s a PR scheme by deplorable death merchants.
As another lad said, what if it was North Korea?

each to their own but it disgusts me entirely.
 
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