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Howard the Duck said:
The issue is not about financially supporting the regime, they hardly need the money, it's about legitimising them. That's the core difference between what's happening at Newcastle and their minority investments in Disney, Twitter, Uber or whatever it is you're trying to throw at people.

It's a ridiculous argument and the fact it's all Newcastle fans have to try and justify their support of a despotic, murderous regime speaks volumes.
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It only becomes a ridiculous argument because it shows people up for their subjective morality.
It comes down to percentages as to what is deemed acceptable or not.
Seriously?

It's like throwing a penny into an evil persons hat on the street after someone throws in a £20 note. You both get told of the evil the next day and you argue that your conscience is clear because you only threw a penny in but the other person is beyond morals for throwing a £20 in.

A crude analogy but that's the crux.
 

The Fish said:
Just had a quick browse. His stuff looks suspiciously like a lad who used to post on toontastic, but was soon peddled. If it is the same lad he thought the people who said there's relatives died in 9/11 and 7/7 were all actors and nothing actually happened and it's all a big conspiracy.

When anyone calmly explained that water will adhere to a surface, he ignored it, whenever anyone explained you can observe the ISS with a pair of binoculars he laughed it off, and if you asked him to explain how he could prove to his 'denpressure' idea he backed off into 'it's just my opinion, I'm not saying I'm 100% right.'.

If it is the same bloke he's a f***ing danger.
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First time it's came to my attention that he's not a kid, he's beyond 50 years old and he comes out with this utter claptrap. I pray he's never had offspring.
 
Squat said:
none of you could do anything about ashley owning you, didnt stop you protesting did it? you can protest and support the team now cant you?
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Nukehasslefan said:
It only becomes a ridiculous argument because it shows people up for their subjective morality.
It comes down to percentages as to what is deemed acceptable or not.
Seriously?

It's like throwing a penny into an evil persons hat on the street after someone throws in a £20 note. You both get told of the evil the next day and you argue that your conscience is clear because you only threw a penny in but the other person is beyond morals for throwing a £20 in.

A crude analogy but that's the crux.
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It's like someone hoying 20 quid in the hat then picking it up and taking it home with them as they now own it.
 
Nukehasslefan said:
It only becomes a ridiculous argument because it shows people up for their subjective morality.
It comes down to percentages as to what is deemed acceptable or not.
Seriously?

It's like throwing a penny into an evil persons hat on the street after someone throws in a £20 note. You both get told of the evil the next day and you argue that your conscience is clear because you only threw a penny in but the other person is beyond morals for throwing a £20 in.

A crude analogy but that's the crux.
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Another ridiculous analogy. Youre doing well here :lol:
 
Grumpy Old Man said:
It would. It would break my heart. But I would do it. Living with a clean conscience is far more important than football.
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I'll not lie I understand that, but to call Newcastle fans neanderthals in you're latest reply to another person is wrong.

If the same situation had of happened to you're club, the majority of fans would be ecstatic, rightly or wrongly. The same as Newcastle fans.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, to say otherwise is absolute bullshit.
 
Valo87 said:
Mags desperate to justify it in there own heads. After all they’ve never cared for our opinion before, this is all about clearing it for themselves. They know they’ve sold there soul, how can they ever claim to be for the “community” or “family”.
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The fuckers swigging beer dressed as Awabs couldn’t give a fuck about the ‘reejun’ as long as they can give it the big Bollox to the other teams on the PL ! The same arseholes will whinge if it doesn’t happen next season
 
Grants said:
I'll not lie I understand that, but to call Newcastle fans neanderthals in you're latest reply to another person is wrong.

If the same situation had of happened to you're club, the majority of fans would be ecstatic, rightly or wrongly. The same as Newcastle fans.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, to say otherwise is absolute bullshit.
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Maybe. Maybe not. But thats the not the point. Wearing tea towels, waving Saudi flags and openly celebrating a murderous regime and trying to justify why its not a problem is the issue here.
 
Grants said:
I'll not lie I understand that, but to call Newcastle fans neanderthals in you're latest reply to another person is wrong.

If the same situation had of happened to you're club, the majority of fans would be ecstatic, rightly or wrongly. The same as Newcastle fans.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, to say otherwise is absolute bullshit.
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It’s not absolute bullshit. And says more about your opinion of people than anything.
The fact the saudis have been allowed to spread their blood money like this in the premier league has actually made me question my entire love of the game as it was.
 
The Bruce situation is weird mind. In her eyes, she's done a respect by making Bruce come into work while every man and his dog speculates about who his replacement might be? Even Donald, as naive as he was, had the foresight to negotiate binning Coleman into his takeover agreement.
 
FulwellViaLeeds said:
The Bruce situation is weird mind. In her eyes, she's done a respect by making Bruce come into work while the media talks about who his replacement might be? Even Donald, as naive as he was, had the foresight to negotiate binning Coleman into his takeover agreement.
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Again, it’s simple PR.

someone has said to them, “make your first move a positive one in the eyes of football, not a sacking”.
 
Roker Mackem said:
Maybe. Maybe not. But thats the not the point. Wearing tea towels, waving Saudi flags and openly celebrating a murderous regime and trying to justify why its not a problem is the issue here.
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I'm saying the opposite, I'm far from trying to justify the actions of some fans, do I believe it was wrong, yes certainly.

But what I'm trying to say, never mind maybe or maybe not, is it would have been the same if it was you're club. Infact any club within England to a degree.
 
Binxy said:
Sportswashed
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It's not that they're sports washed I have an issue with, it's the fact they are carrying out the Saudi's sports washing for them across social media and beyond.

Every time they dismiss any questioning of the regime's sickening practices as football based jealousy and try and undermine the sincerity of concerns from those actually with a moral compass they're doing the Saudi's job for them.

I bet the Saudis can't believe their luck. Actually, I'm sure it's exactly as they planned it and one of the big reasons they selected Newcastle as their conduit.
 
Gaz said:
So maybe thats the problem, to carry on going / supporting and wearing f***ing tea towels on their heads shows the fans (obviously not all) either don’t know or don’t care about your new owners. That’s your / their choice, but if you choose to ignore it then don’t be surprised that others will criticise.

I can honestly say if it was SAFC in this position right now, i’d walk away and want nothing to do with them. Maybe i’m a minority, but suspect not
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People can criticise me for anything they wish. I'm not in control of what a person thinks or does at a particular instance in time.
As for you giving up Sunderland if the same people took over. You may well do. Your morals may legitimately take a high ground on it but you would be in a minority I would guess.
Your stadium would not only be full but you would need to upgrade it and still have a season ticket waiting list.

Most clubs would.
As it stands you can argue this stance based on it being us and you not having to make any decision. Let's hope you don't have to.

One thing I will admit to.
Newcastle United become the club I didn't want it to become. A plastic club in terms of it does not need to work in house and count the pennies to just survive among the elites. We've became almost like them as it stands, monsy wise and potentially will sit among them and buy our way forward.
It's wrong on those grounds alone regardless of the political side of the argument on atrocities by owners.

But I'm not ashamed to admit that I will look forward to cheating our way into the big time. Why?
Because football is so corrupt....why not?

I'm just trying to be honest.
I can sit here all day long or all year long and tell all and sundry that I do not like the majority owners and want them out and it will matter none.
Why?
I'm a Newcastle fan and I'm ripe for the digs like all Newcastle fans will be and anyone that backs them.

It is what it is and the nature of the beast.
I will be honest and say jealousy massively raises its head with many, not just Sunderland fans.
Morality is once again subjective with many if not all who oppose.
 
Grants said:
I'll not lie I understand that, but to call Newcastle fans neanderthals in you're latest reply to another person is wrong.

If the same situation had of happened to you're club, the majority of fans would be ecstatic, rightly or wrongly. The same as Newcastle fans.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, to say otherwise is absolute bullshit.
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Serious question if it was Kim Jong - un that purchased your club would you be celebrating like you are now
 
Howard the Duck said:
It's not that they're sports washed I have an issue with, it's the fact they are carrying out the Saudi's sports washing for them across social media and beyond.

Every time they dismiss any questioning of the regime's sickening practices as football based jealousy and try and undermine the sincerity of concerns from those actually with a moral compass they're doing the Saudi's job for them.

I bet the Saudis can't believe their luck. Actually, I'm sure it's exactly as they planned it and one of the big reasons they selected Newcastle as their conduit.
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Exactly.
As I said earlier, it’s not even as simple as that.

they are GLORIFYING them.
 
Interesting reading a book on 9/11. The journalist murdered, Khashoggi, was a lifelong friend of Bin Laden. He was also supposed to be a member of the Saudi Intelligence services. After falling out with Newcastles new owner he left the country but could not take his son. He threatened to expose the Saudis participation in 9/11 if any harm came to his son. Hence the murder which the new owner denied but was verified by the United Nations. Frightening stuff, yet the Premier League say he is a fit owner, no matter how you dress up that fund.
 
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