Exactly,wouldn't want Middlesex in Div 2 either even though that's where they deserve to be.
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Back to two divisions
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Headline says it all. ECB wish to retain the conference set up,majority of counties wish to return to division s. Wil be decided next Wednesday after County Chairmen meeting with ECB.
mosi
Winger
Potentially a big day for Durham today.
Steak Pie
Striker
I would run the conferences for one more season so that the clubs know what they're playing for and what they have to do.
Would seem a bit harsh to to either:
1) return to the same divisions of 3 years ago when the teams bear no reflection to back then.
2) Split them on this seasons placings where nobody knew what they were playing for.
Whatever happens, I'm sure they'll find a way to put Durham in Div 2.
Would seem a bit harsh to to either:
1) return to the same divisions of 3 years ago when the teams bear no reflection to back then.
2) Split them on this seasons placings where nobody knew what they were playing for.
Whatever happens, I'm sure they'll find a way to put Durham in Div 2.
mosi
Winger
I suspect that this is the correct (and fairest) answer
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
I'd be gutted if they carry on with this conference shite. An absolutely appalling format.
The Red Telephone
Striker
I'll second that.
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
It was just shite to watch. Mid July Vs Notts at home it was a dead rubber for a lot of the game. Just utterly pointless
Conference system to be retained for 2022 season according to George Dobell.
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GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
Fuck sake man
Steak Pie
Striker
Looks like that's the way it's going, I see the reasoning.
Not sure about the 10/8 split though, why wouldn't they go back to 9 in each division?
The Red Telephone
Striker
And this time next year it will be retained for another season and then another season etc until the members eventually give up on the prospect of watching meaningless cricket from July onwards.
Wonder if we get an update from Durham or will they be concentrating on the Diana Ross concert?
Wonder if we get an update from Durham or will they be concentrating on the Diana Ross concert?
So, according to George “Finishing positions in the 2022 season would, in such a scenario, define the make-up of the divisions in 2023. That means the finishing positions achieved at the end of 2019, when Gloucestershire and Northants were among those who achieved promotion, would be void. It is anticipated that there would be 10 teams in division one and eight in division two.”
What does “finishing positions in 2022” mean? Could it be this (based on all team’s results expressed as a single division (2021 data shown here)):
Or this:
Although the former is possibly fairer, the latter is almost certainly what they mean. So effectively all teams finding themselves in Division 1 at the end of July will go straight into the top division for the 2023 two-division competition whilst those in Division 3 are doomed to fall into the bottom group. Come September 2022, Division 2 gets very interesting with the top four finishing spots becoming crucial. If that had been the case this year Kent would have found themselves missing out and Northants would be the lucky beneficiaries. It could, of course, be argued that Kents placing at top of Div 3 this year was assisted by playing against weaker opposition in the final phase games and Northants vice versa.
Compared with 2020 divisions (as planned pre Covid), Surrey would get relegated and Durham promoted!
What does “finishing positions in 2022” mean? Could it be this (based on all team’s results expressed as a single division (2021 data shown here)):
| P | Won | Lost | Drwn | BatBP | BowBP | Adj | Pts | av pts | ||
| 1 | Nottinghamshire | 14 | 7 | 3 | 4 | 34 | 41 | 0 | 219 | 15.64 |
| 2 | Lancashire | 14 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 29 | 34 | 0 | 207 | 14.79 |
| 3 | Essex | 14 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 24 | 38 | 0 | 206 | 14.71 |
| 4 | Warwickshire | 14 | 6 | 2 | 6 | 23 | 35 | -1 | 201 | 14.36 |
| 5 | Hampshire | 14 | 6 | 3 | 5 | 24 | 38 | 0 | 198 | 14.14 |
| 6 | Gloucestershire | 14 | 8 | 4 | 2 | 18 | 33 | 0 | 195 | 13.93 |
| 7 | Yorkshire | 14 | 6 | 3 | 5 | 18 | 35 | 0 | 189 | 13.50 |
| 8 | Durham | 13 | 4 | 3 | 6 | 24 | 39 | -3 | 172 | 13.23 |
| 9 | Kent | 14 | 4 | 3 | 7 | 22 | 38 | 0 | 180 | 12.86 |
| 10 | Somerset | 14 | 4 | 5 | 5 | 29 | 37 | -8 | 162 | 11.57 |
| 11 | Northamptonshire | 14 | 4 | 5 | 5 | 25 | 32 | 0 | 161 | 11.50 |
| 12 | Worcestershire | 14 | 3 | 5 | 6 | 29 | 33 | 0 | 158 | 11.29 |
| 13 | Leicestershire | 14 | 3 | 6 | 5 | 31 | 35 | 0 | 154 | 11.00 |
| 14 | Middlesex | 14 | 5 | 8 | 1 | 22 | 42 | -1 | 151 | 10.79 |
| 15 | Glamorgan | 14 | 2 | 5 | 7 | 26 | 36 | 0 | 150 | 10.71 |
| 16 | Surrey | 13 | 2 | 3 | 7 | 21 | 28 | 0 | 137 | 10.54 |
| 17 | Derbyshire | 14 | 1 | 7 | 6 | 18 | 33 | -1 | 114 | 8.14 |
| 18 | Sussex | 14 | 1 | 9 | 4 | 30 | 34 | 0 | 112 |
Or this:
LV= INSURANCE COUNTY CHAMPIONSHIP 2021 DIVISION 1 TABLE
| P | W | T | L | D | A | BatBP | BowBP | Adj | Pts | |||
| 1 | Warwickshire | 4 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 10 | 21 | 77 | |
| 2 | Lancashire | 4 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 7 | 10 | 16.5 | 73.5 | |
| 3 | Nottinghamshire | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 12 | 5 | 73 | |
| 4 | Hampshire | 4 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 12 | 8.5 | 61.5 | |
| 5 | Yorkshire | 4 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 4 | 12 | 4.5 | 44.5 | |
| 6 | Somerset | 4 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 11 | 17.5 | 31.5 |
LV= INSURANCE COUNTY CHAMPIONSHIP 2021 DIVISION 2 TABLE
| P | W | T | L | D | A | BatBP | BowBP | Adj | Pts | AvPts | |||
| 7 | Essex | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 9 | 12 | 19 | 96 | 19.2 | |
| 8 | Gloucestershire | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 12 | 12 | 76 | 15.2 | |
| 9 | Durham | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 7 | 9 | 4 | 44 | 11 | |
| 10 | Northamptonshire | 4 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 11 | 16 | 54 | 10.8 | |
| 11 | Surrey | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 6 | 5 | 13 | 40 | 10 | |
| 12 | Glamorgan | 4 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 8 | 7 | 11.5 | 34.5 | 6.9 |
LV= INSURANCE COUNTY CHAMPIONSHIP 2021 DIVISION 3 TABLE
| P | W | T | L | D | A | BatBP | BowBP | Adj | Pts | |||
| 13 | Kent | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 12 | 11 | 94 | |
| 14 | Middlesex | 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 7 | 12 | 13 | 80 | |
| 15 | Worcestershire | 4 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 12 | 18.5 | 67.5 | |
| 16 | Leicestershire | 4 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 9 | 10 | 11.5 | 54.5 | |
| 17 | Derbyshire | 4 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 8 | 10 | 9.5 | 51.5 | |
| 18 | Sussex | 4 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 6 | 12 | 30 |
Although the former is possibly fairer, the latter is almost certainly what they mean. So effectively all teams finding themselves in Division 1 at the end of July will go straight into the top division for the 2023 two-division competition whilst those in Division 3 are doomed to fall into the bottom group. Come September 2022, Division 2 gets very interesting with the top four finishing spots becoming crucial. If that had been the case this year Kent would have found themselves missing out and Northants would be the lucky beneficiaries. It could, of course, be argued that Kents placing at top of Div 3 this year was assisted by playing against weaker opposition in the final phase games and Northants vice versa.
Compared with 2020 divisions (as planned pre Covid), Surrey would get relegated and Durham promoted!
Get fucked off* man
*Not you Parky. Or GD.
It’ll be, from the big table, the clubs in positions:
Group A - 1, 6, 7, 12, 13, 18
Group B - 2, 5, 8, 11, 14, 17
Group C - 3, 4, 9, 10, 15, 16
Then the second half of the season will be the top two from each group into Division One, middle two into Division Two, bottom two into Division Three.
Is my guess.
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Silly Point
Striker
Fuck sake
GordonMuchallNo1Fan
Striker
Surrey and Middlesex have done poorly so best try again in hope they do better then we'll change it
