Scunny Dan
Midfield
Winning the football in the sport of football is fairly relevant.
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Deleted member 43869
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Yes it is when deciding whether or not a foul has been committed. When it comes to the likelihood of seriously injuring an opponent it is completely irrelevant.
If it's a case of simply 'bringing someone down' then yes of course it's relevant.
joemcdokes
Striker
VAR is no good then?
Mowgli
Striker
You can win the ball with both feet and it could still be a red.
Its the people using it. Funny how all this wasn't really an issue in the euros.
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I think it's a good opportunity to let referees make a more informed decision. If you want consistency then you'd need some pretty stupid rules that would ruin the game. Some of the worst rules in football since VAR were brought in to satisfy demands for 'consistency'.
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joemcdokes
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You’re spot on there but wasn’t there an incident that took ages to sort out when a premier league ref was doing the VAR?
I seem to vaguely remember.
Personally I think it's a foul and should be a yellow card but get the 'he got the ball' argument as he did so they is a valid argument to say it's not a foul and get up and get on. The problem (imo) is in another Prem or other league that would have been a red, or a yellow, lack of consistency causes the problems and debates such as this so not all bad.
joemcdokes
Striker
How would the rules be stupid if the outcome was more consistent?
deleted user 785
Striker
Years a go = good tackle
These days with excessive force and recklessness a major thought in referees minds he's very fortunate to get away with it.
Personally I think he's went in to win the ball and hurt the man which is a bit of a ****s trick.
These days with excessive force and recklessness a major thought in referees minds he's very fortunate to get away with it.
Personally I think he's went in to win the ball and hurt the man which is a bit of a ****s trick.
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Because it's virtually impossible to have two challenges that are exactly the same. Once you try and bundle all 'types of incident' into one bracket you get ridiculous rules.
Ie.
All hand to ball contact is handball.
Any shirt pulling is a penalty.
Any contact is a penalty etc.
As soon as you try to achieve 'consistency' you have to give the same decision for completely different challenges.
You constantly hear fans moaning about 'consistency' and refer to another incident that is totally different.
Whilst remembering that opinions are like arseholes, for me looking at it objectively, it is certainly very full on, nothing in the rules about that though in itself, but not what we're used to seeing now.
So, does he get the ball. No regardless of what anyone says the way I see it the tackle doesn't make contact with the ball but certinly gets the player.
Is it two-footed, hmmm, kind of but not in the text book style, so I'd have to go with no.
Is it raised or studs up. Clearly not as far as I can see.
Does he take out the player, yes absolutely and without winning the ball. SO CLEARLY A FREE-KICK.
Is it a cautionable offence, judgement call there, it was very full on and failed, therefore reckless? Knife edge that - could go either way.
Is it a red: Taking emotion out of it, no, I really don't see why it would be.
So, does he get the ball. No regardless of what anyone says the way I see it the tackle doesn't make contact with the ball but certinly gets the player.
Is it two-footed, hmmm, kind of but not in the text book style, so I'd have to go with no.
Is it raised or studs up. Clearly not as far as I can see.
Does he take out the player, yes absolutely and without winning the ball. SO CLEARLY A FREE-KICK.
Is it a cautionable offence, judgement call there, it was very full on and failed, therefore reckless? Knife edge that - could go either way.
Is it a red: Taking emotion out of it, no, I really don't see why it would be.
joemcdokes
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deleted user 785
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Excessive force is very much in the laws which could be seen as "full on"
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Deleted member 43869
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I'd agree but fans have to accept that referees will make awful decisions due to having to make quick decisions at 100 mph, usually from a shit angle, often with a restricted view and under considerable pressure from fans and players. Half the time they have no choice but to guess.
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I gather he did get the ball, didn't look like it to me in that clip. Watching again he commits himself to the challenge from very early on at full speed, that in itself is perhaps a factor, it was brute force rather than skill. If every tackle went in like that games probably wouldn't finish with full teams through injury. It's a 'gamble tackle', certainly don't think it should have been play on, so it's an offence to me, just a case of what punishment. I'm still thinking yellow at the most tbh. Like to have seen other angles.
deleted user 785
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Also there are times when the ref gets it right as he's closer than the fans who think they are right. Mike Dean for example last night got it spot on when Almiron dived. The half wits in the stand ganin beserk
Not sure what Ive posted is relevant but it was a chance to have a dig at those twats so I took it.
vinegar hill
Striker
Well I don’t think the Leeds lad should have got a red for the tackle on Elliot, but that to me is a straight red.
He only had one intention that was to get the player, he had no interest in the ball.
It’s just as well one of Richarlison’s feet wasn’t planted or he could have had a broken leg.
He only had one intention that was to get the player, he had no interest in the ball.
It’s just as well one of Richarlison’s feet wasn’t planted or he could have had a broken leg.
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Deleted member 6694
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I'm not sure what you've seen but are you sure if you look at it again?
From what I see of the follow through, Tarkowski's foot is well above ankle height with his studs facing Richarlison's leg. As I mentioned, it's more to do with Richarlison pulling his right leg back in anticipation of being clattered into that stopped Tarkowski's foot going into Richarlison's shin and potential serious injury.
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Bet those fans in the picture behind the challenge absolutely loved it mind. Worth the admission fee on its own.
