Jumper on the bridge



TheBronzeBummer said:
The state of this country don't help.

Schools don't help.

Only thing we can do is try and be kind and thoughtful, but it's easier said than done.

Hope he's okay and finds a way to fight the demons.
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Howld on. If you’ve ever had a conversation with a teacher or anyone who has contact with children in school will make you realise that that is complete bollocks. There’s some amazing work being done in schools up & down this country but you’ll never hear about it, for very good reason.

Even something as simple as kids being fed, Rashford priced this last year, is a lifeline for some kids, but school is their safe place & sometimes the teacher is the only adult they’ll trust.
 
I've always wondered, would the drop into the water kill you instantly every time, or could you end up drowing in the water for a few minutes? Sorry if it seems insincere, just always wondered.
 
McRoker said:
It's the same lad I helped talk down early this morning. Took 45 mins to get him to go with the Police. Just passing over the bridge a few minutes ago and recognised him. Hope to god he's ok
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Firstly, good on you, it’s a brilliant thing to have done.

Secondly though, what does it say about the stretch on our services that someone in such distress that it’s taken nearly an hour to talk them down off a bridge is turned out onto the streets again (according to their partner/ex with no money and an uncharged phone) to go and do it all over again before the same day is out.
 
xmfd said:
I've always wondered, would the drop into the water kill you instantly every time, or could you end up drowing in the water for a few minutes? Sorry if it seems insincere, just always wondered.
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Wouldn’t be instant in the majority of cases from the wear bridge. Some have jumped and been pulled out alive.
 
Longy said:
Howld on. If you’ve ever had a conversation with a teacher or anyone who has contact with children in school will make you realise that that is complete bollocks. There’s some amazing work being done in schools up & down this country but you’ll never hear about it, for very good reason.

Even something as simple as kids being fed, Rashford priced this last year, is a lifeline for some kids, but school is their safe place & sometimes the teacher is the only adult they’ll trust.
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This. They have dedicated school staff that only deal with child wellbeing now etc along with much more emphasis on mental health
The King of Um said:
Firstly, good on you, it’s a brilliant thing to have done.

Secondly though, what does it say about the stretch on our services that someone in such distress that it’s taken nearly an hour to talk them down off a bridge is turned out onto the streets again (according to their partner/ex with no money and an uncharged phone) to go and do it all over again before the same day is out.
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Your right. However if the person is under the influence of alcohol or drugs a mental health team cant assess them. This is the issue for emergency services as they're usually left with someone who has had a skinful to try and take the pain away of what their about to do.
What mental health services need to realise that if someone is willing to go to the extreme of going to the edge of suicide when under the influence they still need to take ownership in order to prevent harm.
Used to hear the sigh of relief from crisis team when you told them they were drunk 'nah sorry they need to be sober'. Used to have play down and be creative to make them out to be less drunk
 
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Longy said:
Howld on. If you’ve ever had a conversation with a teacher or anyone who has contact with children in school will make you realise that that is complete bollocks. There’s some amazing work being done in schools up & down this country but you’ll never hear about it, for very good reason.

Even something as simple as kids being fed, Rashford priced this last year, is a lifeline for some kids, but school is their safe place & sometimes the teacher is the only adult they’ll trust.
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This the support in schools compared when I was there is a million times better
 
The King of Um said:
Firstly, good on you, it’s a brilliant thing to have done.

Secondly though, what does it say about the stretch on our services that someone in such distress that it’s taken nearly an hour to talk them down off a bridge is turned out onto the streets again (according to their partner/ex with no money and an uncharged phone) to go and do it all over again before the same day is out.
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That was my thought too, our mental health service has been run down over the yearS, he should have been admitted after the first attempt but I doubt they had anywhere safe to put him.
I looked at suicide rates in 2019 against 2020 and was surprised to see fewer people had taken their own lives in 2020, I expected to see a big increase.
 
BlackOps said:
This. They have dedicated school staff that only deal with child wellbeing now etc along with much more emphasis on mental health


Your right. However if the person is under the influence of alcohol or drugs a mental health team cant assess them. This is the issue for emergency services as they're usually left with someone who has had a skinful to try and take the pain away of what their about to do.
What mental health services need to realise that if someone is willing to go to the extreme of going to the edge of suicide when under the influence they still need to take ownership in order to prevent harm.
Used to hear the sigh of relief from crisis team when you told them they were drunk 'nah sorry they need to be sober'. Used to have play down and be creative to make them out to be less drunk
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what benefit would a crisis team assessment be with someone at the time they are highly intoxicated?
In circumstances like the original post, as you no doubt know, police have powers to take and hold a person at a place of safety. After a period to sober up (if needed) they would then be assessed. That usually involves the same crisis team assessors so I doubt there’s a sigh of relief.
 
safcsafc said:
what benefit would a crisis team assessment be with someone at the time they are highly intoxicated?
In circumstances like the original post, as you no doubt know, police have powers to take and hold a person at a place of safety. After a period to sober up (if needed) they would then be assessed. That usually involves the same crisis team assessors so I doubt there’s a sigh of relief.
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Where would that place of safety be? Custody? Think thats been agreed that its not a pla e for someone in a mental crisis. Where is this magical place you speak of?
 
That’s how my dad went, sadly. It wasn’t the landing but the shock when he went in as it was in the middle of winter and the sudden temperature drop sent him into shock.
 
wisemensaysteve said:
That was my thought too, our mental health service has been run down over the yearS, he should have been admitted after the first attempt but I doubt they had anywhere safe to put him.
I looked at suicide rates in 2019 against 2020 and was surprised to see fewer people had taken their own lives in 2020, I expected to see a big increase.
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Depends on the exact stats you're looking at. The guidance for coroners was finally changed in between those date, from beyond reasonable doubt to balance of probabilities when coming to a conclusion of suicide.
It's been a long time coming but it's the right way to look at it, using the criminal measure of beyond reasonable doubt was one of the left over things from when suicide was a crime years ago, which is nonsense.
 
wisemensaysteve said:
That was my thought too, our mental health service has been run down over the yearS, he should have been admitted after the first attempt but I doubt they had anywhere safe to put him.
I looked at suicide rates in 2019 against 2020 and was surprised to see fewer people had taken their own lives in 2020, I expected to see a big increase.
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He wouldn’t necessarily have been admitted after the first one. I sat with more than one bloke who’d been off the Tyne bridge into the river, been fished and and waited 4 hours to see the CAT who said he’s fine and isn’t getting sectioned. They’re just taken back home and usually go on to do something similar in the following days.
safcsafc said:
what benefit would a crisis team assessment be with someone at the time they are highly intoxicated?
In circumstances like the original post, as you no doubt know, police have powers to take and hold a person at a place of safety. After a period to sober up (if needed) they would then be assessed. That usually involves the same crisis team assessors so I doubt there’s a sigh of relief.
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The place of safety you speak of used to be custody but custody is no longer deemed an appropriate place for a person in crisis to be kept. A and E? Not really the craic to have a suicidal intoxicated person sat for hours in the middle of the rest of the people waiting to be seen.
 
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