Peterborough keeper out for season/Emergency Loan Signed

[Nelson!]

Thanks, I couldn't remember. Do you not think that it was far more likely that this came as a result of an unprepared for global pandemic and/or the EFL being a bit shit, than some kind of loophole to make sure we came out the worst?

Do you think if we'd have been in the playoffs on PPG that the EFL would have decided not to give the votes to clubs and decide it a different way which meant we missed out?

I have no idea. Dealing with the actual reality and how it panned out, I’ve listed four instances of the EFL intervening. The first three negatively impacted us and our ability to get promoted (whether we would have otherwise or not) and now there’s a fourth such scenario.

We will see what they choose to do.

 

[Scunny Dan]

I have no idea. Dealing with the actual reality and how it panned out, I’ve listed four instances of the EFL intervening. The first three negatively impacted us and our ability to get promoted (whether we would have otherwise or not) and now there’s a fourth such scenario.

We will see what they choose to do.

 

[AC Mack]

Some of this is gold. Liverpool-esque.

We used to take the piss out of RAWK. Since becoming a League One side we seem to have become the lower league equivalent!

Only a very small minority, mind you.

I have no idea. Dealing with the actual reality and how it panned out, I’ve listed four instances of the EFL intervening. The first three negatively impacted us and our ability to get promoted (whether we would have otherwise or not) and now there’s a fourth such scenario.

We will see what they choose to do.

My word.

 

[magic snood]

Can't believe it needs saying but the EFL categorically do not have an agenda against us, they're just incompetent.

 

[Nelson!]

We used to take the piss out of RAWK. Since becoming a League One side we seem to have become the lower league equivalent!

Only a very small minority, mind you.


My word.

you going to refute any of it or just blindly insist no one is ever acting anything but fairly and honestly?

the wage cap, for example, was aimed at leveling the playing field between the big clubs and the small ones in league one. I don’t see how that could be any more targeted at us in particular given we are the biggest presently.

 

[royaldragon]

Not sure who they’d get other than another keeper who hasn’t been playing games regularly. Nobody is going to be allowed to be released at this stage if they’re actually important to their team.

Brainwave: Can we give them Remi Matthews?

What would happen if Burge got injured and we had no GK?

Edit: it wouldn't make any difference.

 

[Nelson!]

Can't believe it needs saying but the EFL categorically do not have an agenda against us, they're just incompetent.

I wasn’t arguing they do, but when decision after decision works out to favor other clubs over us , and we know there’s an economic incentive for the rest of the league with us down here, starting to believe it’s not an accident isn’t hard to understand.

 

[rentaghost]

Are you saying bias and personal incentive are never behind the decisions people make? They’re also part of human nature, not sure why you’d deny that.

I’ve long believed that there are a significant section of supporters in sport who if they can’t win, need to feel hard done by or robbed in order to cope. You are a good example as is my dad

 

[phunboy]

you going to refute any of it or just blindly insist no one is ever acting anything but fairly and honestly?

the wage cap, for example, was aimed at leveling the playing field between the big clubs and the small ones in league one. I don’t see how that could be any more targeted at us in particular given we are the biggest presently.

It wasn't aimed at levelling the playing field it was a reaction to what happened at Bolton and Bury to stop teams spending beyond their means. It just so happened that it would also take away some of the advantages of being a big fish in a pond full of minnows.

 

[Billy Batts]

They can have Remi Matthews if they like.

 

[Guinness Guzzler]

Thanks, I couldn't remember. Do you not think that it was far more likely that this came as a result of an unprepared for global pandemic and/or the EFL being a bit shit, than some kind of loophole to make sure we came out the worst?

Do you think if we'd have been in the playoffs on PPG that the EFL would have decided not to give the votes to clubs and decide it a different way which meant we missed out?


If we were in exactly the same situation as Peterborough, do you think they'd let us?

The Wimbledon thing was pathetic tbh. At the start of the pandemic, aye, you'd be unprepared. After last season they should have had everything ironed out though. What you do if there's a positive test, how many tests need to be positive before a game is called off, what exactly is the procedure when a game is called off in terms of investigating etc. They knew it was likely to happen and they had months to prepare for it. To basically not be able to tell a club anything in December 2020 is inept.

Additionally (happy to be corrected if wrong, but don't think I am), I'm fairly sure they still haven't got anything in place regarding what happens if this season has to be scrapped. Obviously it shouldn't be now, but it was always a chance earlier. No confirmation of whether PPG was to be used again, would it be another vote, hell how about just confirmation of what percentage of the fixtures would need to have been played before they would have any promotions or relegations. Again, it's not some unforseen thing, they should have planned for it, otherwise they'd walk into yet another cluster fuck.

As I say, I don't think it's anything against safc, but the EFL are inept as fuck

 

[Scunny Dan]

I'm convinced. The Illuminati, FA, EFL, M15, M16, CIA, and FIFA, are conspiring to keep Sunderland in the 3rd tier.

 

[Nelson!]

I’ve long believed that there are a significant section of supporters in sport who if they can’t win, need to feel hard done by or robbed in order to cope. You are a good example as is my dad

how does your theory discount the post you quoted?

i haven’t once said there is a conspiracy against us, I’ve just pointed out several EFL decisions that have impacted us negatively and how that leads to people feeling aggrieved.

assuming no referee/league official has ever cheated or made an unfair decision is as insane as believing we are being conspired against. No room for nuance.

 

[AC Mack]

you going to refute any of it or just blindly insist no one is ever acting anything but fairly and honestly?

the wage cap, for example, was aimed at leveling the playing field between the big clubs and the small ones in league one. I don’t see how that could be any more targeted at us in particular given we are the biggest presently.

You won't even accept that the EFL would have made the same decision on how to end last season regardless of whether we ended up in the playoffs or not. What if we'd have beaten Bristol Rovers in that last game? Would the EFL have come to a different conclusion, solely because of us? Unless you think the answers is yes, you haven't really got a leg to stand on.

The Wimbledon game, IIRC weren't a few teams put in the same situation at that time last year? Wimbledon having to play shortly before they played us despite an outbreak, for instance.

Peterborough, potentially being allowed an emergency goalkeeper by manipulating a rule and that's being done because Sunderland are in direct competition with them in the league.

The wage cap was just another shit rule and one which potentially made us suffer more than most due to us having a bigger budget. We've been in this league for three seasons now and that rule was in place for what, three weeks of those three seasons?

I can't believe I'm actually typing this.

Can't believe it needs saying but the EFL categorically do not have an agenda against us, they're just incompetent.

Wish I'd just said that and left it.

 

[1more]

It wasn't aimed at levelling the playing field it was a reaction to what happened at Bolton and Bury to stop teams spending beyond their means. It just so happened that it would also take away some of the advantages of being a big fish in a pond full of minnows.

No. It meant that the bigger clubs could only spend the same as the smaller clubs. The biggest clubs well within their income. The smallest clubs could well outspend their actual income

 

[AC Mack]

I’ve long believed that there are a significant section of supporters in sport who if they can’t win, need to feel hard done by or robbed in order to cope. You are a good example as is my dad

I mean Nelson is generally a sound poster even though I think we've had our disagreements before.

It's just these obscure reasons for finding a conspiracy I can't get my head around.

 

[Charmless Man]

What would happen if Burge got injured and we had no GK?

Edit: it wouldn't make any difference.

Patterson. I’d like to think we’d trust the lad.

That's their fault really ....should have a good backup like we have ...err hold on

Remember when we had Steele, Camp and Ruiter? Where was our emergency loan then? We might not have been relegated from the Championship

 

[Moneyball]

Hopefully they go for Remi Matthews.

Imagine the meltdown on here if we loaned them Remi the Semi and the nuclear meltdown if he was mint for them.

 

[maguire9]

I'm convinced. The Illuminati, FA, EFL, M15, M16, CIA, and FIFA, are conspiring to keep Sunderland in the 3rd tier.

There seems to be about 2 people on the entire forum who believe this

 

[Nelson!]

You won't even accept that the EFL would have made the same decision on how to end last season regardless of whether we ended up in the playoffs or not. What if we'd have beaten Bristol Rovers in that last game? Would the EFL have come to a different conclusion, solely because of us? Unless you think the answers is yes, you haven't really got a leg to stand on.

The EFL may well have: the clubs should never have been allowed to vote on their own fate.

The Wimbledon game, IIRC weren't a few teams put in the same situation at that time last year? Wimbledon having to play shortly before they played us despite an outbreak, for instance.

I’ve never said we are being solely targeted by all these decisions, just that we seem to end up on the wrong side of them. You added the rest.

Peterborough, potentially being allowed an emergency goalkeeper by manipulating a rule and that's being done because Sunderland are in direct competition with them in the league.

I never said that and what rule are you talking about? One that has been made up on here?

The wage cap was just another shit rule and one which potentially made us suffer more than most due to us having a bigger budget. We've been in this league for three seasons now and that rule was in place for what, three weeks of those three seasons?

It was in place for both transfer windows,

I can't believe I'm actually typing this.
Wish I'd just said that and left it.