Spanish ex-pats

[El Matador]

Had 2 gaffs in Spain registered properly from day one,first one was in the 80s never had any issues had the NIE etc.
Sold up, but now planning to go back again,checked it all out and dont see any changes in the purchase process.
What is all the fuss about?

Your NIE I believe is still relevant as I think it lasts a lifetime, much like the UK national insurance number.
The process of buying a property may not have changed much, there may be tax differences as a third country citizen, I'm not certain about that though.
The main difference is that as a third country citizen you will only be able to stay for 90 out of 180 days then must leave the Schenegen area. If you wanted to stay longer periods to avoid this you would need to take residencia and therefore be fiscally registered in Spain. You would need to have proof of income (£27.000 ?) or savings and show the paperwork to prove this. You would also need health insurance.
The fuss is about a lot more hurdles to jump through, more bureaucracy, more expense. Generally a lot more hassle which was not there previously.

To the lads living in Spain, do the Brits integrate? learn the language?

It depends. The costas tend to attract people who in my experience are less likely or willing to integrate, they tend to stay within their own enclaves. I have always lived inland, usually in the mountains where generally Brits integrate and learn the language to one degree or another. I currently live in a small village and there are not many foreigners (Brits and EU) around here, those that are here are pretty well integrated.
The place I lived previously was a small town and is now two or three generations down the line and the sons and daughters who went to school locally are fluent in the language and totally immersed in the culture. They are marrying and having children with the local Spanish and other Europeans, it's a melting pot. In that community there are a lot of people who did not regulate their status and have existed (because it was possible) in a grey zone. Many of those are now encountering problems.

 

[FoldingStars]

Thats my understanding for across the EU - but why anyone who has lived in a country and knew what was coming would leave it to the last minute is beyond me.

Thats how some people function, same with tax returns and the likes, you get 8 months to do it but 20 minutes before the deadline people are scrambling to get it submitted.

Out of sight out of mind till the very last minute and then get stressed to bits about it.

 

[alicante mackem]

Surprised at that like. They've been available to apply for since June or July last year.

I applied for mine at the end of July and picked it up a month later.

Nothing here at the minute. A mate go in early and managed to make an appointment last October. It's for next month I believe.

Surprised at that like. They've been available to apply for since June or July last year.

I applied for mine at the end of July and picked it up a month later.

Nothing here at the minute. A mate got in early and managed to make an appointment last October. It's for next month I believe.

 

[DisillusionedOldGit]

You need to go there in person to get it. Have to take your NIE in. Costs €3 I think

Tbf, 4 years isn't long.

I can remember going to the Town Hall for summat .

 

[El Matador]

Most volume goes to Galicia where it gets redistributed. They anticipate a very quiet Easter.
Bars only open until 6 and restaurants barely open at all? ( except in Malaga and Maebella where things are open until !!pmi believe ) and and they cant travel out of the region yet?

The province I live in the bars and restaurants are open until 22.00. Things are open pretty much as normal but with an earlier closing time. Travel across the provincial boundaries is not allowed and yes, Easter will be more low key, but still plenty happening.

I believe that some countries do have 180/365 - not sure why Boris and co didnt go for it

The 90/180 rule is started from your first visit to the schengen zone, recorded against your passport when you go through control - its why we have to travel with our residence permits

Non schenegen countries. Bulgaria, Romania etc.

 

[beverly macca]

What's padron, I've got deeds .

Proof of where you live.
Edit. Didn’t see replies.

Ooff what? Was that what you consider to be a good retort? Jesus wept.

Why would you reply to me? I didn’t say it.

 

[alicante mackem]

Proof of where you live.
Edit. Didn’t see replies.

Why would you reply to me? I didn’t say it.

You said oof. I try to avoid feeding the troll..

 

[beverly macca]

You said oof. I try to avoid feeding the troll..

I said ooof just meaning he took your post to whole new place. I understand the feeding of trolls though

 

[Monty Pigeon]

A general point: there seems to be a widespread misunderstanding about what being 'under the radar' means.

Some media coverage implies that it refers to British crims living it up on the Costas. The vast majority under the radar are just ordinary people who, most often, enjoyed their annual two weeks in Spain so much that they decided to move there permanently, but for a variety of reasons (ignorance, lack of funds for the various bits of paperwork, head-in-the-sand mentality) never got round to making their existence there official.

Where we lived, in Javea/Xabia, there was a trailer park enclave full of that kind of expat, with their own local pub, their bingo and karaoke nights, the works. We knew some of them, but we lived in one of the Spanish parts of town, mixed with the locals, and took part in fiestas etc. It was two entirely different lifestyles. Even now, some of them don't get that their circumstances have changed and that sooner or later they're going to have to leave.

 

[spitfire]

How difficult is it to obtain citizenship?

If you've done time in the UK for armed robbery or dealing class a then you are a shoe in.

 

[DisillusionedOldGit]

If you've done time in the UK for armed robbery or dealing class a then you are a shoe in.

The same applies if you want to enter the UK .

 

[JJH]

I said ooof just meaning he took your post to whole new place. I understand the feeding of trolls though

He never likes a retort

 

[Jon Dough]

Where we lived, in Javea/Xabia, there was a trailer park enclave full of that kind of expat, with their own local pub

I rented a villa there for 6 months in urbanizacion El tosalet just up the hill, that pub might be the one owned by Roz the Scottish lady, there was also a british bakers, chip shop, sparta gym, and another brit pub.

 

[Monty Pigeon]

I rented a villa there for 6 months in urbanizacion El tosalet just up the hill, that pub might be the one owned by Roz the Scottish lady, there was also a british bakers, chip shop, sparta gym, and another brit pub.

We lived in the port, but I often walked past El Tosalet on my daily walk to Portixol and back. There were plenty of British-owned businesses in and around Javea, but the place I had in mind was Quo Vadis at the back of Arenal beside the Go-Karting. I went there once, and it was soul-destroying. The only other Brit-enclave I went to was Scallops restaurant, but only because whenever people ate there in the evening they got free full English breakfast vouchers which they'd pass on to me and my wife. Had a few free breakfasts there.

 

[alicante mackem]

He never likes a retort

If it was a well thought out informed one, I wouldn't mind. You know absolutely nothing about the subject matter on this thread but still have the incredible lack of self-awareness and totally misplaced self-confidence to actually believe you can make a valid contribution to something you know nothing about. Don't worry, there a few like you.

 

[pablo casals]

We lived in the port, but I often walked past El Tosalet on my daily walk to Portixol and back. There were plenty of British-owned businesses in and around Javea, but the place I had in mind was Quo Vadis at the back of Arenal beside the Go-Karting. I went there once, and it was soul-destroying. The only other Brit-enclave I went to was Scallops restaurant, but only because whenever people ate there in the evening they got free full English breakfast vouchers which they'd pass on to me and my wife. Had a few free breakfasts there.

Scallops! Used to be a free bottle of plonk for each diner too, the trail of old Brits walking round the arenal with their take home wine.
If i ever lived in Javea Id go for the port or the pueblo behind too. My missus (no) worked in one of the nicer bars on the arenal many moons ago.

 

[JJH]

If it was a well thought out informed one, I wouldn't mind. You know absolutely nothing about the subject matter on this thread but still have the incredible lack of self-awareness and totally misplaced self-confidence to actually believe you can make a valid contribution to something you know nothing about. Don't worry, there a few like you.

TBF it never stops you commenting on posts.

 

[aupaalaves]

Nothing here at the minute. A mate go in early and managed to make an appointment last October. It's for next month I believe.

Nothing here at the minute. A mate got in early and managed to make an appointment last October. It's for next month I believe.

This is what I got told to do. Followed it step by step and no issues. The 12 euro tax needs to be paid before 10am I believe. I did mine at a BBVA bank. Santander said they didn't do it and La Caixa had a big queue

You need to complete this form (selecting Certificado de registro de residente comunitario o Tarjeta de residencia de familiar de un ciudadano de la Unión. - works out at 12€, which you then need to pay in a bank before your appointment (you'll need the completed form to do this)

Tasa790_012

sede.policia.gob.es

Make an appointment in your provincia

Proceso automático para la solicitud de cita previa

Portal web para que el ciudadano solicite por internet cita en las Oficinas Unicas de Extranjería

sede.administracionespublicas.gob.es

The correct link for the appointment is
POLICÍA-EXP.TARJETA ASOCIADA AL ACUERDO DE RETIRADA CIUDADANOS BRITÁNICOS Y SUS FAMILIARES (BREXIT)
It's the second menu, TRÁMITES CUERPO NACIONAL DE POLICÍA.

Things to take:
*Your passport and a photocopy
*A passport (carnet) size photograph
*Both index fingers (they take prints)
*Receipt to show you've paid the bank charge

I'd take a recent copy of a Padrón as well as depending on who attends you, might request one.

 

[alicante mackem]

This is what I got told to do. Followed it step by step and no issues. The 12 euro tax needs to be paid before 10am I believe. I did mine at a BBVA bank. Santander said they didn't do it and La Caixa had a big queue

You need to complete this form (selecting Certificado de registro de residente comunitario o Tarjeta de residencia de familiar de un ciudadano de la Unión. - works out at 12€, which you then need to pay in a bank before your appointment (you'll need the completed form to do this)

Tasa790_012

sede.policia.gob.es

Make an appointment in your provincia

Proceso automático para la solicitud de cita previa

Portal web para que el ciudadano solicite por internet cita en las Oficinas Unicas de Extranjería

sede.administracionespublicas.gob.es

The correct link for the appointment is
POLICÍA-EXP.TARJETA ASOCIADA AL ACUERDO DE RETIRADA CIUDADANOS BRITÁNICOS Y SUS FAMILIARES (BREXIT)
It's the second menu, TRÁMITES CUERPO NACIONAL DE POLICÍA.

Things to take:
*Your passport and a photocopy
*A passport (carnet) size photograph
*Both index fingers (they take prints)
*Receipt to show you've paid the bank charge

I'd take a recent copy of a Padrón as well as depending on who attends you, might request one.

Cheers mate. The padrón is another problem.. mine is over 3 months old and not a cat in hells chance of getting an appointment.

 

[aupaalaves]

Cheers mate. The padrón is another problem.. mine is over 3 months old and not a cat in hells chance of getting an appointment.

Can't you just go to the town hall, wait in line and ask for one? That's how it works here.

If the address on your green card is the same address as now then I don't think you'd need a Padrón. It's probably for those that have had a change of address.

I got told to take one because a friend was asked for it but I wasn't.