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The Rat said:
I don’t disagree with any of this

And it’s annoyingly me how people are trying to rewrite history, we’ve been excellent for 18 months

Won 6 tests away from home

But I worry a bit that a few might take while to recover off this and they play India for 5 tests, same bowlers etc
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Thing is their batsmen didn't exactly pull up any trees, so they'll have the same reservations, especially having to face us in our own conditions

Plus we have New Zealand to come before India, so a chance to face a different set of bowlers and hopefully exorcise a few demons

Plus the way the Indians have gone on will hopefully cause a few to want to give it back to them
The Rat said:
I don’t see how that can be close to being lbw considering where thr ball ends up

Doesn’t make physical sense
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Aye, if anything it looks more like an outside edge! (I know it wasn't mind). I've never seen an LBW before where the ball behaves like that afterwards

I can kind of see why an Umpire might think that's out, but for me there's definitely enough doubt there to err on the side of caution and say not out
 
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TheRey said:
Thing is their batsmen didn't exactly pull up any trees, so they'll have the same reservations, especially having to face us in our own conditions

Plus we have New Zealand to come before India, so a chance to face a different set of bowlers and hopefully exorcise a few demons

Plus the way the Indians have gone on will hopefully cause a few to want to give it back to them

Aye, if anything it looks more like an outside edge! (I know it wasn't mind). I've never seen an LBW before where the ball behaves like that afterwards

I can kind of see why an Umpire might think that's out, but for me there's definitely enough doubt there to err on the side of caution and say not out
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Aye am actually calling into doubt DRS here like, it jusr doesnt look right

I remember Ian bell once getting given out on DRS, ball hit is first pad and deviated onto middle stump onto his 2nd pad, but the ball tracking didnt show the deviation, if that makes sense, it went straight om. But like Stokes against Lyon at Leeds.

Think it does make errors, no big issue on game, just I didnt think it looked right in the game and seeing it there just not sure how its out.



fair point on NZ

Their batsman were poor, was surprised like

Pant obviously did well,


I know Rohit scored runs, I just dont fancy him over here at all, it felt like we werent far from getting him out
 
The Rat said:
Aye am actually calling into doubt DRS here like, it jusr doesnt look right

I remember Ian bell once getting given out on DRS, ball hit is first pad and deviated onto middle stump onto his 2nd pad, but the ball tracking didnt show the deviation, if that makes sense, it went straight om. But like Stokes against Lyon at Leeds.

Think it does make errors, no big issue on game, just I didnt think it looked right in the game and seeing it there just not sure how its out.
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Yeah I agree, something just doesn't like right.

Christ, I'm being super positive and I'm defending Bairstow. Wtf is going on :lol:
 
Just on this series, one thing I think was poor was Root n Silverwood misreading both the pitches on the last 2 tests.

Ive not been too critical, but they are the leadership and you want calm heads who can get rid of outside noise and look at the pitch for what it is and pick a team purely based on that.

Despite our batting, the strange thing is, with the right selection in both games, we would have had a chance

India were on the ropes massively in both tests, we could have genuinely won, which seems bizarre to say.
 
TheRey said:
Thing is their batsmen didn't exactly pull up any trees, so they'll have the same reservations, especially having to face us in our own conditions

Plus we have New Zealand to come before India, so a chance to face a different set of bowlers and hopefully exorcise a few demons

Plus the way the Indians have gone on will hopefully cause a few to want to give it back to them

Aye, if anything it looks more like an outside edge! (I know it wasn't mind). I've never seen an LBW before where the ball behaves like that afterwards

I can kind of see why an Umpire might think that's out, but for me there's definitely enough doubt there to err on the side of caution and say not out
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I’m not sure what the point of argument is here. I’ve played the game plenty and the ball has hit my pad flap and went affected the tracking of the ball. It was a tight lbw call but there’s no conspiracy here and the ball ending up above the stump is not unusual at all. It was lbw umpires call.
 
Must admit there was a discussion in one of the games, when apparently on umpires call clipping the bails, it only counts to the bottom of the bail resting in the groove. They showed a graphic with a line to indicate.

now imo, I’ve seen players bowled when only the very top edge of the bail is hit and it drops, so that’s a bit of a loophole that I’ve never seen before this series.
 
Both captains were interviewed together after the game and they were both asked what their ambitions were in the future...

Root said "I just want us to post a 50 partnership in a test".

Kohli said "I want to win every test, T20 and ODI, I want to score a century in every game and be Man of the Match in every game"

The interviewer said "Don't you think you're over-exaggerating?"

Kohli said "Well Root started it."
 
rentaghost said:
I’m not sure what the point of argument is here. I’ve played the game plenty and the ball has hit my pad flap and went affected the tracking of the ball. It was a tight lbw call but there’s no conspiracy here and the ball ending up above the stump is not unusual at all. It was lbw umpires call.
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It’s very unusual
 
The Rat said:
Aye am actually calling into doubt DRS here like, it jusr doesnt look right

I remember Ian bell once getting given out on DRS, ball hit is first pad and deviated onto middle stump onto his 2nd pad, but the ball tracking didnt show the deviation, if that makes sense, it went straight om. But like Stokes against Lyon at Leeds.

Think it does make errors, no big issue on game, just I didnt think it looked right in the game and seeing it there just not sure how its out.



fair point on NZ

Their batsman were poor, was surprised like

Pant obviously did well,


I know Rohit scored runs, I just dont fancy him over here at all, it felt like we werent far from getting him out
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I think its fair enough discussing the DRS but I think when we are always using the decisions that go against us it sort of weakens the argument a bit. What about when Root was saved at the end of the day in the second test. I've never seen one look as plumb on first instance, he only chose to review with a second left in hope, yet it was shown to be outside on impact which was difficult to see how. Or when Rohit was given out umpires call when it was umpires call on both impact and on hitting - it just didn't look out with the naked eye. For me there are no absolute howlers anymore with LBW and you just have to take the rough with the smooth.
 
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rentaghost said:
I think its fair enough discussing the DRS but I think when we are always using the decisions that go against us it sort of weakens the argument a bit. What about when Root was saved at the end of the day in the second test. I've never seen one look as plumb on first instance, he only chose to review with a second left in hope, yet it was shown to be outside on impact which was difficult to see how. Or when Rohit was given out umpires call when it was umpires call on both impact and on hitting - it just didn't look out with the naked eye. For me there are no absolute howlers anymore with LBW and you just have to take the rough with the smooth.
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None of this has any relevance like

I wasn’t talking about a player or a team just that I think drs messed up that can’t have been lbw physically

You’ve missed the point here

There are mistakes the ball tracking For Lyon against stokes was incorrect for example

It’s seems an error when it hits both pads
 
The Rat said:
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Ignore the batsman and thr game

This is a fair point

Is that actually leg before wicket?
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Why did it not hit the stumps? It clipped the softest part of the pad. No way was the line of the ball deviated that much at 80+ mph.
 
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