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PTR said:
haha, I agree entirely.
Have you seen my other posts on even just this thread? Or even my sig!

Of course.
Every god got it powers from someone better than them. SuperGod. :lol:


Are people really arguing with me for not being atheist enough? Me! :lol:
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We needed to invent God to get our shit together. Now I'm happy with we don't know but we have a decent idea.
 
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EchoMan said:
It’s the bit after the Big Bang I don’t get. Are we supposed to believe that we came from dust and gas to what we have now by pure chance selection over a very long time period. Not sure Darwin was right.

And please don’t post about monkeys and typewriters.
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The explanation of arriving at the distribution of species (including most of the species that have ever existed that are now extinct) from the most simple form of life is well understood. It wasn't chance selection it was chance mutation. The selection was not chance.

The bit we don't yet know is how life first started. We may never know. Of course a god (take your pick which one) may have started it, but as I wrote earlier that makes the explanation for "who created the god?" question even more difficult than the "how did life start?" question. We should start with the simpler explanations first, no matter how difficult they may be currently.

A belief in god is a childish approach.
 
I subscribe to the Standard Model as its the best explanation we have at the moment, however I think it rather parochial and instead believe there have and will be multiple big bangs, and big crunches, in different parts of the universe, they're just too far away for us to 'see' them.
 
JonMc said:
Imho inventing Him was our first tentative steps into science, understanding our world. The second sentence reflects how I feel.
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Absolutely. But to be called "staunch atheist" for just rejecting religious dogma and instead simply sticking to the default position is funny.
Nothing wrong with not knowing something. No need for the "God did it all" comfort blanket. It's as unlikely (and therefore daft) as a Terry Pratchett explanation.
 
Kent_Mackem said:
Absolutely. But to be called "staunch atheist" for just rejecting religious dogma and instead simply sticking to the default position is funny.
Nothing wrong with not knowing something. No need for the "God did it all" comfort blanket. It's as unlikely (and therefore daft) as a Terry Pratchett explanation.
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It is funny when some atheists mirror religious institutions by gathering on a sunday to sing songs and celebrate their atheism. It's also funny when some atheists undergo quasi-religious rituals to rid themselves of the ceremony of their christening. Some atheists make it complicated rather than simple.

I don't know has always been my default position.
 
JonMc said:
It is funny when some atheists mirror religious institutions by gathering on a sunday to sing songs and celebrate their atheism. It's also funny when some atheists undergo quasi-religious rituals to rid themselves of the ceremony of their christening. Some atheists make it complicated rather than simple.

I don't know has always been my default position.
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It is my default position too. That doesn't mean it isn't possible to place things in an order of likeliness.

I don't know which rituals you mean, and I'm sure there is an example of everything out there, but I'm sure you will agree there will be far more god believers than non-believers busy with such things on a Sunday. Me - I'll be out walking the dog and then doing jobs in the garden. My time is precious to me.
 
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Harry Angstrom said:
What six dimensional objects are in our universe?

What created the power, that there is no evidence of, that may have created the universe?
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That's my point - we don't know, do we? As humans we can't perceive more than three physical dimensions, but that isn't to say that's all there is.

There are lots of things we can't perceive or conceptualise. It's human arrogance to think that we're capable of understanding the universe.
 
Frijj said:
That's my point - we don't know, do we? As humans we can't perceive more than three physical dimensions, but that isn't to say that's all there is.

There are lots of things we can't perceive or conceptualise. It's human arrogance to think that we're capable of understanding the universe.
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We have a good idea. Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Einstein all have contributed massively to our understanding.

We have a fair idea of how it works.
 
Frijj said:
That's my point - we don't know, do we? As humans we can't perceive more than three physical dimensions, but that isn't to say that's all there is.

There are lots of things we can't perceive or conceptualise. It's human arrogance to think that we're capable of understanding the universe.
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Don't disagree with your point, but I wouldn't say arrogance was the correct adjective, endeavour would have been better as I don't think anyone has claimed to understand it. But the pursuit of trying to is what makes us standout from our fellow animals.
 
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Kent_Mackem said:
It is my default position too. That doesn't mean it isn't possible to place things in an order of likeliness.

I don't know which rituals you mean, and I'm sure there is an example of everything out there, but I'm sure you will agree there will be far more god believers than non-believers busy with such things on a Sunday. Me - I'll be out walking the dog and then doing jobs in the garden. My time is precious to me.
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There are far more because religion has been around longer. It just amuses me that people like to gather in groups and perform rituals to feel a sense of superiority no matter who they bat for. We are human. Me? I just don't know.
 
Kent_Mackem said:
Absolutely. But to be called "staunch atheist" for just rejecting religious dogma and instead simply sticking to the default position is funny.
Nothing wrong with not knowing something. No need for the "God did it all" comfort blanket. It's as unlikely (and therefore daft) as a Terry Pratchett explanation.
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I'm a staunch gravityist. I totally throw out any ideas that we're all stuck to the ground with special glue.
JonMc said:
It is funny when some atheists mirror religious institutions by gathering on a sunday to sing songs and celebrate their atheism. It's also funny when some atheists undergo quasi-religious rituals to rid themselves of the ceremony of their christening. Some atheists make it complicated rather than simple.

I don't know has always been my default position.
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If anything, its a good demonstration that "atheism" doesn't mean one specific thing. Its simply the rejection of one specific thing and everything else it entirely open to whatever the individual wants.

FWIW, I'd like to fill out a form to have my "registration" to the Peterlee Methodist Church deleted. I'm not getting dressed up and chucking myself in a swimming pool though. Unless there's beers afterwards, maybe? :lol:
 
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ighty seven said:
...just spontaneously burst into existence (Big Bang style, or whatever)?

..or that it was willed into existence?

and if you believe it was willed into existence does that mean you believe in God?

I mean, do whole universes just pop into existence for no reason?
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It's a strange one. I don't believe the universe was created/willed into existence, so I have to believe that something came from nothing, which is mad.
 
JonMc said:
There are far more because religion has been around longer. It just amuses me that people like to gather in groups and perform rituals to feel a sense of superiority no matter who they bat for. We are human. Me? I just don't know.
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I’m intrigued about these rituals. I can only assume that since I haven’t heard of them they aren’t very common. But search hard enough and you’ll find an example of anything. Humans are a strange animal.
 
Some things have to be best educated guesses though at best tbf. Mentioned this example before. Coxy talking about the formation of the solar system. Stating as fact that early Jupiter went on the rampage and made its way towards the four rocky planets. As it got close to Mars, Saturn was born. And Saturn's gravity pulled Jupiter back and prevented it from destroying the likes of Mars and Earth. This all played out a ridiculously long time ago so it simply can't be known.
 
Kent_Mackem said:
I’m intrigued about these rituals. I can only assume that since I haven’t heard of them they aren’t very common. But search hard enough and you’ll find an example of anything. Humans are a strange animal.
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A few years ago when Dawkins and St Christopher were riding high in their limelights it became a bit of a fringe thing among atheists to 'reverse' their Christenings so that they weren't tainted by religion. It involved a service to do this which seemed lost on them. Like I say, it was a niche thing and of course it never caught on but in an uncertain world it's nice to know that some people will push the boat out for any cause at all. We like factions do we humans.
 
JonMc said:
A few years ago when Dawkins and St Christopher were riding high in their limelights it became a bit of a fringe thing among atheists to 'reverse' their Christenings so that they weren't tainted by religion. It involved a service to do this which seemed lost on them. Like I say, it was a niche thing and of course it never caught on but in an uncertain world it's nice to know that some people will push the boat out for any cause at all. We like factions do we humans.
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Hahah yes, agreed... that is funny. Mad bazzas.
 
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