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Arsenal v Newcastle kick off 2000 Sky Sports Main Event / Sky Sports Premier League / Sky Sports Ultra HD

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The Fish said:
Oh aye, it was the nadir for fans, but the owner couldn't give a shiny shit about the cups so would never sack Bruce for that. I think it'll take us being 18th or 19th before Mike pulls the trigger.
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Mike is he your mate like😎
The Fish said:
Oh aye, it was the nadir for fans, but the owner couldn't give a shiny shit about the cups so would never sack Bruce for that. I think it'll take us being 18th or 19th before Mike pulls the trigger.
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Mike is he your mate like😎



So good I said it twice!
 
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The Fish said:
Injuries and being a moron has held him back a bit. Only started 3 games, played 315 minutes. Not played enough to really write him off just yet, for me.
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Didn't do much last season and him refusing to play near the end of the season says it all about his character
 
chopsfc007 said:
Didn't do much last season and him refusing to play near the end of the season says it all about his character
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I dunno why he was not signing a new contract, which is why he didn't want to play. But yeah, it didn't reflect well on him at all. Won't write him off just yet (just like I won't write off Lewis).
 
Redandwhitedust said:
Fake news.
Rafa was a glorious leader. He knew football. Great attacking football. All other football was a disaster (and Ashley's fault). No one knows that club like Rafa. Ask anyone (with a Newcastle shirt)


Personally I don't understand the Mags love for him.
He achieved no more or less than the majority of managers they had. But because they made such a fuss about him when he joined, no one dares admit that he isnt quite the manager they thought.
Rafa's past achievements and career are impressive, but they mean nothing with regards Newcastle. Yet still there are fans who want him back.
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He basically achieved the same as Chris Hughton but has a much better pedigree and they're still quite fond of him too.
 
Carrick18 said:
He basically achieved the same as Chris Hughton but has a much better pedigree and they're still quite fond of him too.
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Yes they're fond of him. But they never worshipped him in the way they do Rafa. Theyd have him back, but none of them are actively wanting him back of throwing his name around like some are with Wenger.

Why? Because Hughton's face doenst fit the imaginary profile they have of their club. Hughton is a decent manager. But thats not enough for Newcastle. They need a manager who has won things (at other clubs) who gives them some prestige.
Its the same reason that they were calling Longstaff, Shelvey and Lascelles were "England material". Not because they actually were, but because having an England player in your side puts you among the big clubs.

The sooner it dawns on them that they are a tip championship/bottom half Premier league team with a big ground the better. Because some of them are just making themselves look stupid now. Theres a fine line between passion and fantasy
 
Redandwhitedust said:
Yes they're fond of him. But they never worshipped him in the way they do Rafa. Theyd have him back, but none of them are actively wanting him back of throwing his name around like some are with Wenger.

Why? Because Hughton's face doenst fit the imaginary profile they have of their club. Hughton is a decent manager. But thats not enough for Newcastle. They need a manager who has won things (at other clubs) who gives them some prestige.
Its the same reason that they were calling Longstaff, Shelvey and Lascelles were "England material". Not because they actually were, but because having an England player in your side puts you among the big clubs.

The sooner it dawns on them that they are a tip championship/bottom half Premier league team with a big ground the better. Because some of them are just making themselves look stupid now. Theres a fine line between passion and fantasy
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I doubt Hughton would come back and work under Ashley, but the fact people would have him back negates your point about how he doesn't fit with our supposed imaginary profile.
He was well liked, and still is. He had no managerial pedigree before having the Newcastle job and has not exactly achieved great things elsewhere. Pretty mediocre really. But he would still be welcomed back.
Many Newcastle fans think Eddie Howe would be a good appointment, again it contradicts your imaginary profile comment.

Focussing on your thing about us wanting managers that have won stuff elsewhere, would most of the non-elite clubs not welcome a manager who has been very successful elsewhere? That's not exclusive to Newcastle. The fact they've won elsewhere shows they're a good manager. Capable at their job.
If Jose Mourinho and Neil Warnock were the two candiates for a job, which one do you think fans would get excited about?
 
What A Waster said:
I doubt Hughton would come back and work under Ashley, but the fact people would have him back negates your point about how he doesn't fit with our supposed imaginary profile.
He was well liked, and still is. He had no managerial pedigree before having the Newcastle job and has not exactly achieved great things elsewhere. Pretty mediocre really. But he would still be welcomed back.
Many Newcastle fans think Eddie Howe would be a good appointment, again it contradicts your imaginary profile comment.

Focussing on your thing about us wanting managers that have won stuff elsewhere, would most of the non-elite clubs not welcome a manager who has been very successful elsewhere? That's not exclusive to Newcastle. The fact they've won elsewhere shows they're a good manager. Capable at their job.
If Jose Mourinho and Neil Warnock were the two candiates for a job, which one do you think fans would get excited about?
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The point is, while you would welcome him back... compared with Rafa your fans wouldnt bother conducting interviews. The majority would take Rafa. Yes Hughton is liked, but when talking about managers Wenger and Rafa have been named. Hughton has not. And thats purely down to prestige.

Newcastle fans need to wake up and lower their expectations. There is nothing in your history that suggests you need a manager who has won things at other and bigger clubs.
What you need is a manager who will get the overrated crap on your team playing mediocre football, and the mediocre players playing well, as well and ideally a manager who can spot a bargain in the transfer window.
That man is clearly not Bruce, but its not Rafa either..

Eddie Howe would not be a bad shout.
 
Redandwhitedust said:
Yes they're fond of him. But they never worshipped him in the way they do Rafa. Theyd have him back, but none of them are actively wanting him back of throwing his name around like some are with Wenger.

Why? Because Hughton's face doenst fit the imaginary profile they have of their club. Hughton is a decent manager. But thats not enough for Newcastle. They need a manager who has won things (at other clubs) who gives them some prestige.
Its the same reason that they were calling Longstaff, Shelvey and Lascelles were "England material". Not because they actually were, but because having an England player in your side puts you among the big clubs.

The sooner it dawns on them that they are a tip championship/bottom half Premier league team with a big ground the better. Because some of them are just making themselves look stupid now. Theres a fine line between passion and fantasy
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I mean you’ve hit every square on mag stereotype bingo there like. Full house. Most of what you are saying holds no basis in reality for me personally or the mates I go to matches with. I mean I don’t do twitter etc so I’m aware I miss the probably more fringe sections of fans and what’s spoken about but you’re way off in my experience.
 
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