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South Africa’s Commitment to Equality

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Don't talk logic- the woke brigade don't do logic.

Alarm bells ring for me when anyone starts using this word "woke", on both sides.
“Woke” is up there with “social justice warrior” in the pathetic insult stakes. Imagine actually thinking social justice is a bad thing.

Bit like Patel criticising human rights lawyers for being "do-gooders"
 

Alarm bells ring for me when anyone starts using this word "woke", on both sides.

Quite. AND aside from that, questioning the logic of ‘woke’ is to show an immense lack of self awareness and hypocrisy on that (the applying of logic) score.
Alarm bells ring for me when anyone starts using this word "woke", on both sides.

Quite. AND aside from that, questioning the logic of ‘woke’ is to show an immense lack of self awareness and hypocrisy on that (the applying of logic) score.
Imagine wanting to do good for fucks sake.

Barmy. It’s much better to be a complete c*nt iirc.
 
Quite. AND aside from that, questioning the logic of ‘woke’ is to show an immense lack of self awareness and hypocrisy on that (the applying of logic) score.


Quite. AND aside from that, questioning the logic of ‘woke’ is to show an immense lack of self awareness and hypocrisy on that (the applying of logic) score.


Barmy. It’s much better to be a complete c*nt iirc.
It’s better to be a c*** than a hypocrite about something. That’s what gets me.

“yeah yeah but did you stand up for Yemen?”
 
I get that argument totally. I’m torn as I said
If the England team was made up entirely of former public schoolboys and we wanted the other 90% of the population and players to get the opportunity to play for the national team then I'd say a quota system would get support on here. In fact probably more from the very people who are against the SA quota system.

And that is ignoring all of the history and inequality of the issue.
 
Found South Africa a fascinating place like. A visit to the prison on Robben Island shows how grim life was for black people there.

Someone told me that summat like 80% of land and wealth is owned by the 10% of the population who are white. The inequality is still absolutely massive.
 
Found South Africa a fascinating place like. A visit to the prison on Robben Island shows how grim life was for black people there.

Someone told me that summat like 80% of land and wealth is owned by the 10% of the population who are white. The inequality is still absolutely massive.
Yeah. I found it a bit unsettling. There are entire communities where you don’t see a black face unless they are a servant
 
If the England team was made up entirely of former public schoolboys and we wanted the other 90% of the population and players to get the opportunity to play for the national team then I'd say a quota system would get support on here. In fact probably more from the very people who are against the SA quota system.

And that is ignoring all of the history and inequality of the issue.
Bollocks, all that anyone wants is that the best 11 possible is playing for all sides, the great thing about sport in particular cricket that there are plenty of platforms to showcase your talent.
 
Bollocks, all that anyone wants is that the best 11 possible is playing for all sides, the great thing about sport in particular cricket that there are plenty of platforms to showcase your talent.
Best XI now or in the future as well?
 
Bollocks, all that anyone wants is that the best 11 possible is playing for all sides, the great thing about sport in particular cricket that there are plenty of platforms to showcase your talent.

I know what you’re saying but if you get say ethnic minority or (to a lesser extent) working class icons it can draw kids in. Even though Archer is Bajan I think having him playing on BBC in the Hundred next year will be big for example.

Also really hope the system sustains state educated cricketers going forwards - fee paying schools are making up a bigger portion of the team year by year, which is a concern.
 
I know what you’re saying but if you get say ethnic minority or (to a lesser extent) working class icons it can draw kids in. Even though Archer is Bajan I think having him playing on BBC in the Hundred next year will be big for example.

Also really hope the system sustains state educated cricketers going forwards - fee paying schools are making up a bigger portion of the team year by year, which is a concern.
So your saying teams should be selected on tokenism, come on you can't think that is right nor is it showing equality. Its top level sport play your best team and show true equality.

The ECB and CSA should be working to give the lower classes in society better opportunities and facilities that match those at public schools, you only have to look in this country at the kings college in Somerset which Jos Butler attended to see the gap in what even the counties offer compared to a Public School, look at the Pietersen documentary in SA where they went to his old school the opportunities he got compared to the lower classes in unreal, this is where the issue is and to an even more extent in SA.
Best XI now or in the future as well?
The Best 11 available (bar when players need to be rested) at all times, theres enough cricket in all formats to give up and coming players opportunities and we have seen all international teams rotating players in the last few years.
 
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So your saying teams should be selected on tokenism, come on you can't think that is right nor is it showing equality. Its top level sport play your best team and show true equality.

The ECB and CSA should be working to give the lower classes in society better opportunities and facilities that match those at public schools, you only have to look in this country at the kings college in Somerset which Jos Butler attended to see the gap in what even the counties offer compared to a Public School, look at the Pietersen documentary in SA where they went to his old school the opportunities he got compared to the lower classes in unreal, this is where the issue is and to an even more extent in SA.

The Best 11 available (bar when players need to be rested) at all times, theres enough cricket in all formats to give up and coming players opportunities and we have seen all international teams rotating players in the last few years.

No, I’m not advocating tokenism (although I’m on the fence on the SA thing as it’s massively complicated over there).

Just saying that an England side which is a real mix will help in growing the sport.
 
A raised fist is heavily symbolic of Communism. Probably the most divisive, militaristic movement in the last century alongside Nazism - I'm not going to compare the two as they were both absolutely abhorrent. It's not a coincidence BLM agitators keep using such symbols. South African cricket is just another bunch of useful idiots in the respect here.

What exactly do they want when they bang on about equality? Equality of opportunity is good, that's what you should strive for. But too much of this is a Communist twist of equality of outcome and equity (stuff like so-called positive discrimination). Which is truly tyrannical and awful.
 
A raised fist is heavily symbolic of Communism. Probably the most divisive, militaristic movement in the last century alongside Nazism - I'm not going to compare the two as they were both absolutely abhorrent. It's not a coincidence BLM agitators keep using such symbols. South African cricket is just another bunch of useful idiots in the respect here.

What exactly do they want when they bang on about equality? Equality of opportunity is good, that's what you should strive for. But too much of this is a Communist twist of equality of outcome and equity (stuff like so-called positive discrimination). Which is truly tyrannical and awful.
Christ almighty.

You sound like one of those right wing nut jobs from across the pond. Everything always comes back to being a communist or a socialist for some bizarre reason.
 
Christ almighty.

You sound like one of those right wing nut jobs from across the pond. Everything always comes back to being a communist or a socialist for some bizarre reason.
Read this thread

 
A raised fist is heavily symbolic of Communism. Probably the most divisive, militaristic movement in the last century alongside Nazism - I'm not going to compare the two as they were both absolutely abhorrent. It's not a coincidence BLM agitators keep using such symbols. South African cricket is just another bunch of useful idiots in the respect here.

What exactly do they want when they bang on about equality? Equality of opportunity is good, that's what you should strive for. But too much of this is a Communist twist of equality of outcome and equity (stuff like so-called positive discrimination). Which is truly tyrannical and awful.
😂😂 worra knacka
 
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