CheersMarra84
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Exactly my point mate, happy to point score over Adam Johnson but God forbid you can say anything against a country that beheads people. They showed their true colours in the summer.
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Exactly my point mate, happy to point score over Adam Johnson but God forbid you can say anything against a country that beheads people. They showed their true colours in the summer.
rentaghost
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Bruce is hopeless you can feel how you want about him. He is though an improvement in terms of league PPG and cup results over your previous manager who you all loved and felt he was doing a good job. Nothing more, nothing less.
Bears Beets
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Do they teach you punctuation in school? Christ, use a comma or 2 or maybe a full stop?
Benjamin
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When Benitez joined NUFC they were imminently savable and had the likes of Wijnaldum, sissoko, tiote, townsend, cisse, shelvey, perez, mitrovic - none of the bottom teams had that sort of quality available to them. Yet with that sort of attacking options he went to Villa who had lost 9 in a row without scorin a goal and played a safe 0-0. He would have backed himself to keep that team uo and he should have done,
Hate BenitezWhy would I hate him? He seems like a thoroughly good bloke and he has a fantastic record as a manager prior to coming to Newcastle. I'm also not allowing anything to cloud a judgement of Bruce who is a bog standard moderate manager at this level. What i am saying is that his record in the premier league for Newcastle United is better than Benitez, his record in cup games for NUFC is better than Benitez. So Rafa had a 'plan' and Bruce doesn't. Well it mustn't have been much of a plan if it ended up with a record worse than Bruce's. Its interesting you mention Saint Maximum - I suggest Rafa wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole concerning himself more with what he cant do rather than what he can. You can point to rubbish signings by Bruce but it weakens your argument further because Bruce with all of these rubbish signings still has a better record than the last fella.
Any criticism of Bruce by NUFC fans such as yourself is absolutely fair enough, what is mental though is praising to the sky the performance of the previous manager who had a worse record just because he was a stellar name - its crackers man
Just a heads up. Bruce record in Premier League has yet to better Rafa over a full season.
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"Your fanbase"
. People keep making that naive assumption. I'm telling you what politicans do a lot. It's disgusting, reprehensible, and against what she's supposed to stand for, but I'm not shocked. Staveley said herself they intended to invest in the region. She's also partnered (if it's the same setup) with the Reubens. They have a number of concerns in the city. Plus, it's an easy PR win for them.
Ok, so the shock thing was sarcasm.
I also acknowledge I have no say. I don't vote in her distrcit so outside of just calling her out there's not a lot I can do to be quite honest. I also acknowledge that if this was happening on Wearside there'd probably be a similar MP backing it. Politicians want to stay politicians. Being the person that helped oust Mike Ashley and then also bring money to the region (which it desperately needs) will earn you a boat load of votes.
I hate it, but I'm not going to clutch my pearls and say it shocks me.
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Daffy
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No one gives a fuck
Jog on
Blue_Monday
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Bruce took over an midtable team has spent the best part of 100 million and made it worse, not to mention ruining all of the good coaching the players had in them from the previous manager.
Binxy
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"He's not a Premier league manager"I'm not a Newcastle fan.
You realise Sunderland were in that relegation battle and had the likes of Defoe, Mvila, Kirchoff, Kaboul, Van Aanholt?
See that's just it though, Bruce isn't a bog standard manager. He's got one of if not the worst record of managers with his level of experience. He's not a Premier League manager. It's also why I keep telling you (but you keep ignoring) that direct comparisons are pointless.
Bruce's three most expensive signings are Joelinton, Wilson, and Saint-Maximin (or Saint-Maximum as you call him
Either he takes responsibility for Joelitnon and gets praise for Saint-Maximin or he's got no involvement at all. You can't pick and choose.
They also both had Newcastle at different times. Benitez had to overhaul a squad, get them promoted at the first-team of asking, then stabalise them with next to no money to spend. Bruce inherited a settled club and hasn't taken them any further in the league. Even in the cups, he's beaten exclusively lower-league clubs. He's not beaten a single Premier League club.
I'm not even praising Benitez as some harbinger of glorious football (they had moments), I'm simply saying that comparing the two as managers is an insult. If you're so sure what Bruce's plan is, tell me what it is.
400 games managed suggests otherwise.
Benjamin
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Cup results are not a reliable guide. Depend who you draw. So far Rafa best is a League Cup q/f which he lost to a team who a league higher. Bruce now in a similar position playing team a division lower. Bruce avoided a Premier team until last season FA cup quarter final. Rafa bumped a Premier team in each of 4th round draws when in Premier.
CheersMarra84
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"Your fanbase"
I'm telling you what politicans do a lot. It's disgusting, reprehensible, and against what she's supposed to stand for, but I'm not shocked. Staveley said herself they intended to invest in the region. She's also partnered (if it's the same setup) with the Reubens. They have a number of concerns in the city. Plus, it's an easy PR win for them.
You keep saying you’re not a Mag, but for somebody who isn’t you don’t half come across as one. So provide proof of what they’re doing to do, because unless there’s actual proof they’re going to invest in the city in a positive light, Staveley is just paying it lip service.
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Roker Mackem
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Good question.
At a push Berge is in the discussion from Sheff United. Gallagher the only one from West Brom.
Then it becomes a straight shoot between Fulham and the Mags. Anguissa is a lovely midfielder, Lemina has promise but no consistency. I like Tosin at the back. Areola is the most pedigreed keeper.
I'd say looking at that squad Bruce has, Saint-Maximin, Wilson, Almiron, Fraser, are all good Premier League players, and tbh I think Ciaran Clark has looked very good the last few weeks. A threat in the oppositon box, good reliable defender.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm a mag.
Oh come on. He had 10 games, look at Allardyce's first 10 games.
The instant results people talk about are incredibly difficult to engineer and usually less about what the team does and more about someone plummetting below them.
You're letting your hatred for Benitez cloud your evaluation of Bruce. This is why it's pointless comparing. Benitez is a genuine quality manager that's won the biggest prizes in the game. Bruce is not. We can talk about shit signings all day. You'll mention Muto, I'll mention Rose, or Lazaar or Jeff Hendrick.
Almiron, for example, isn't a bad player. And if you are adamant to compare them, I'll say this: Regardless of whether you think Benitez is a genius or overrated, the thing is he has a clear plan and you can see that. Go watch him on MNF talk about the strategy with a back three. You can see what he outlines happen on the field.
Bruce has never and can never do that because he said himself when he was here he didn't like tactics.
Thought you were a well known Mag on here?
rentaghost
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I'm not a Newcastle fan.
You realise Sunderland were in that relegation battle and had the likes of Defoe, Mvila, Kirchoff, Kaboul, Van Aanholt?
See that's just it though, Bruce isn't a bog standard manager. He's got one of if not the worst record of managers with his level of experience. He's not a Premier League manager. It's also why I keep telling you (but you keep ignoring) that direct comparisons are pointless.
Bruce's three most expensive signings are Joelinton, Wilson, and Saint-Maximin (or Saint-Maximum as you call him
Either he takes responsibility for Joelitnon and gets praise for Saint-Maximin or he's got no involvement at all. You can't pick and choose.
They also both had Newcastle at different times. Benitez had to overhaul a squad, get them promoted at the first-team of asking, then stabalise them with next to no money to spend. Bruce inherited a settled club and hasn't taken them any further in the league. Even in the cups, he's beaten exclusively lower-league clubs. He's not beaten a single Premier League club.
I'm not even praising Benitez as some harbinger of glorious football (they had moments), I'm simply saying that comparing the two as managers is an insult. If you're so sure what Bruce's plan is, tell me what it is.
The finance argument is hugely skewed by one player. Joelinton is either very good or hes f***ing hopeless. If hes f***ing hopeless and given to Bruce its no good arguing that 40 million spent on him is Bruce having a huge advantage over Rafa
Which one has the best deal? - Rondon and Perez up front for a season or Joelinton? The fee is neither here nor there. At the end of the day one manager has performed better than the other in league and cups and it just happened to be Bruce. Get rid of him by all means - i wouldn't want him manager of Sunderland again but it does highlight how moderate rafa was at Newcastle and how embarrassing their fans were in their adoration of him.And got thrashed 3-0 away to Oxford? However its cups and premier league that he has a better record. All football if you like.
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Come across as one?
I'd contribute to the match threads more but, you know, COVID and that.
There's a good chance with her it is, I spoke to someone who worked with her on the Liverpool bid and they said she was a total tyre-kicker. Mind you, she also got the Man City deal through, so fuck knows if she's legit. I don't rule out she might be talking shite, and for that reason I'm not sure what you'd consider proof.
I do know Saudi wants to diversify it's wealth so might see real estate as a good chance to do that (I think they were bidding for something in the city the other week, but I forget what).
Be sure of this, it's not because they've been charmed by the wonderful city of Newcastle.
. This is about money and distracting from a bad image.
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It's a no from me, Clive. I'd have posted more in match threads, but I've been working a lot lately so not seen the games, and it's hard to say much based on the 2 minute highlights the club puts out.
Jesus, never mind having him again, I wasn't a fan of the first-time he pitched up at the SOL. Blokes like him are the worst to work for. He can't take critcism. Why do you think he claimed it was his Geordie Roots, and not utterly shite football that was behind his sacking?The finance argument is hugely skewed by one player. Joelinton is either very good or hes f***ing hopeless. If hes f***ing hopeless and given to Bruce its no good arguing that 40 million spent on him is Bruce having a huge advantage over Rafa
And got thrashed 3-0 away to Oxford? However its cups and premier league that he has a better record. All football if you like.
CheersMarra84
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Come across as one?
I'd contribute to the match threads more but, you know, COVID and that.
There's a good chance with her it is, I spoke to someone who worked with her on the Liverpool bid and they said she was a total tyre-kicker. Mind you, she also got the Man City deal through, so fuck knows if she's legit. I don't rule out she might be talking shite, and for that reason I'm not sure what you'd consider proof.
I do know Saudi wants to diversify it's wealth so might see real estate as a good chance to do that (I think they were bidding for something in the city the other week, but I forget what).
Be sure of this, it's not because they've been charmed by the wonderful city of Newcastle.
This is about money and distracting from a bad image.
So that’s a ‘No’ then. Thought as much. A lot of words for no substance.
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Here you go.
"It is understood it was the intention of the Saudis to inject £250 million into Newcastle over five years, on top of a large investment in the community."
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rentaghost
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Fair enough - i think we are done here - nowt much more to add and some agreement. Bruce a bit of a charlatan, shit manager at that level, dull football but produced better results in league and cup than their previous manager who got less points per game and loads of leeway because of his reputation.
Laidback Jack
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The irony that the Mags can't seem to wrap their head around is that they threw a lot of stuff at Ashley relating to the working practices of Sports Direct. 'Immoral, unfit to be owner etc etc' but yet a murdering corrupt Saudi regime? Yeah no worries lads get yourselves up to Newcastle
CaptainRed
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Admittedly I don't watch much of them but all the stats point to them being the worst team in the league and they get an awful lot of luck. Apparently a dodgy penalty yesterday.
I'll tell you one thing. As a Sunderland fan I was delighted when Benitez left and they replaced him with Bruce. If he doesn't take them down this season he will next season.
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