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She should have been massively grateful that the takeover didn't happen so she wasn't placed in the position where, as a member of the Labour Party, she'd have to have been excusing theocratic murderers week after week who at the time of writing this have women being tortured in prison for campaigning for the right to drive.
I bet she has an opinion on Israel !!
 
I don't. There are children starving, people living on the streets and a pandemic killing thousands. I'd rather my elected MP concentrate on life and death matters thank you.
spot on. it could be argued we have a lot lot more to complain about than the mags but this is certainly not a parliamentry issue.

All these Labour MPs wanting a government to own their football club with a horendous human rights record really need taking to task. Embarrasing for the party.
 
@Carrick18 - In an 11 aside line up made from mags, Fulham, West Brom and shef Utd - how many mags would get in the team?
Good question.

At a push Berge is in the discussion from Sheff United. Gallagher the only one from West Brom.

Then it becomes a straight shoot between Fulham and the Mags. Anguissa is a lovely midfielder, Lemina has promise but no consistency. I like Tosin at the back. Areola is the most pedigreed keeper.

I'd say looking at that squad Bruce has, Saint-Maximin, Wilson, Almiron, Fraser, are all good Premier League players, and tbh I think Ciaran Clark has looked very good the last few weeks. A threat in the oppositon box, good reliable defender.
Of course I meant judged on his time at the Mags. Of course you harked back to his time elsewhere.

He was awful at your place. Horribly defensive and awful to watch but you lot were besotted so worshipped him.
Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm a mag. :lol:
Of course his first 10 games had everything to do with Benitez. There have been many a manager saved clubs from much worse positions than that and they haven’t had anywhere near as good players at their disposal to do so. It was Beneitez who turned up at Villa who had lost 9 in a row without scoring a goal and played for a draw. No one is arguing that Bruce’s team is god awful only that he has managed to produce better results in both league and cup than the previous manager and doesn’t have a relegation on his CV for NUFC like Benitez.

Also with regards to Joelinton how much Nufc decided to pay for him has nothing to do with Bruce and of course he’s going to say he’s delighted to have him because he’s got to work with him. It still comes down to who would you rather have at your disposal a fron two of Rondon and Perez or Joelinton on his own. Also worth mentioning that Benitez spent 50 mill on Muto, Murphy and Almiron.
Oh come on. He had 10 games, look at Allardyce's first 10 games.

The instant results people talk about are incredibly difficult to engineer and usually less about what the team does and more about someone plummetting below them.

You're letting your hatred for Benitez cloud your evaluation of Bruce. This is why it's pointless comparing. Benitez is a genuine quality manager that's won the biggest prizes in the game. Bruce is not. We can talk about shit signings all day. You'll mention Muto, I'll mention Rose, or Lazaar or Jeff Hendrick.

Almiron, for example, isn't a bad player. And if you are adamant to compare them, I'll say this: Regardless of whether you think Benitez is a genius or overrated, the thing is he has a clear plan and you can see that. Go watch him on MNF talk about the strategy with a back three. You can see what he outlines happen on the field.

Bruce has never and can never do that because he said himself when he was here he didn't like tactics. :lol:
 
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Can I shock you? Politician in playing to the crowd shocker.

At best she's point scoring with locals ahead of the next election. At worst she is happy to work with Saudi Arabia.

I also think she knows that if they come in it will spark a boat load of investment in the city. The government don't give a shit about north of Watford.
 
I wouldn't mind anyone complaining about it but if you're a proper lefty and have gone to parliament about the perils of 0 hour contracts and the big bad Mike Ashley for paying minimum wage it's absolutely beyond belief you'd also want your city being connected with slave traders, murderers, sexist racists and generally guilty of running a totalitarian, corrupt state Mafia.

George caulkin if you read this you are also an absolute scumbag, any principles you think you have, thrown out for your football club, you are a disgrace to yourself and any fancy words will never change what you are.

Fuck off.
It'sa you Mario!.
 
Can I shock you? Politician in playing to the crowd shocker.

At best she's point scoring with locals ahead of the next election. At worst she is happy to work with Saudi Arabia.

I also think she knows that if they come in it will spark a boat load of investment in the city. The government don't give a shit about north of Watford.
No one is shocked by your take. The same take has been repeated throughout this thread. This is a labour MP harping on about a football club takeover when she has far more important stuff to concentrate on. Not sure why you ignore that tbh.
 
Can I shock you? Politician in playing to the crowd shocker.

At best she's point scoring with locals ahead of the next election. At worst she is happy to work with Saudi Arabia.

I also think she knows that if they come in it will spark a boat load of investment in the city. The government don't give a shit about north of Watford.

What proof is there of this happening? This is a common rhetoric peddled by your fanbase without any substance because the Man City owners did the same.
 
Good question.

At a push Berge is in the discussion from Sheff United. Gallagher the only one from West Brom.

Then it becomes a straight shoot between Fulham and the Mags. Anguissa is a lovely midfielder, Lemina has promise but no consistency. I like Tosin at the back. Areola is the most pedigreed keeper.

I'd say looking at that squad Bruce has, Saint-Maximin, Wilson, Almiron, Fraser, are all good Premier League players, and tbh I think Ciaran Clark has looked very good the last few weeks. A threat in the oppositon box, good reliable defender.

Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm a mag. :lol:

Oh come on. He had 10 games, look at Allardyce's first 10 games.

The instant results people talk about are incredibly difficult to engineer and usually less about what the team does and more about someone plummetting below them.

You're letting your hatred for Benitez cloud your evaluation of Bruce. This is why it's pointless comparing. Benitez is a genuine quality manager that's won the biggest prizes in the game. Bruce is not. We can talk about shit signings all day. You'll mention Muto, I'll mention Rose, or Lazaar or Jeff Hendrick.

Almiron, for example, isn't a bad player. And if you are adamant to compare them, I'll say this: Regardless of whether you think Benitez is a genius or overrated, the thing is he has a clear plan and you can see that. Go watch him on MNF talk about the strategy with a back three. You can see what he outlines happen on the field.

Bruce has never and can never do that because he said himself when he was here he didn't like tactics. :lol:

When Benitez joined NUFC they were imminently savable and had the likes of Wijnaldum, sissoko, tiote, townsend, cisse, shelvey, perez, mitrovic - none of the bottom teams had that sort of quality available to them. Yet with that sort of attacking options he went to Villa who had lost 9 in a row without scorin a goal and played a safe 0-0. He would have backed himself to keep that team uo and he should have done,
Hate Benitez :lol: Why would I hate him? He seems like a thoroughly good bloke and he has a fantastic record as a manager prior to coming to Newcastle. I'm also not allowing anything to cloud a judgement of Bruce who is a bog standard moderate manager at this level. What i am saying is that his record in the premier league for Newcastle United is better than Benitez, his record in cup games for NUFC is better than Benitez. So Rafa had a 'plan' and Bruce doesn't. Well it mustn't have been much of a plan if it ended up with a record worse than Bruce's. Its interesting you mention Saint Maximum - I suggest Rafa wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole concerning himself more with what he cant do rather than what he can. You can point to rubbish signings by Bruce but it weakens your argument further because Bruce with all of these rubbish signings still has a better record than the last fella.

Any criticism of Bruce by NUFC fans such as yourself is absolutely fair enough, what is mental though is praising to the sky the performance of the previous manager who had a worse record just because he was a stellar name - its crackers man :lol:
 
If this takeover had happened and the Saudis had decided as part of their plan to buy the could be for beheadings be brought to Eldon Square I think these idiots would still back them. What idiots.
 
Is the Steve Bruce who took Sunderland to a 10th place Premier finish which their fans refuse to accept didnt deserve the sack the same Steve Bruce who Sunderland fans insist Newcastle fans should accept for finishing 13th in Premier League?
 
When Benitez joined NUFC they were imminently savable and had the likes of Wijnaldum, sissoko, tiote, townsend, cisse, shelvey, perez, mitrovic - none of the bottom teams had that sort of quality available to them. Yet with that sort of attacking options he went to Villa who had lost 9 in a row without scorin a goal and played a safe 0-0. He would have backed himself to keep that team uo and he should have done,
Hate Benitez :lol: Why would I hate him? He seems like a thoroughly good bloke and he has a fantastic record as a manager prior to coming to Newcastle. I'm also not allowing anything to cloud a judgement of Bruce who is a bog standard moderate manager at this level. What i am saying is that his record in the premier league for Newcastle United is better than Benitez, his record in cup games for NUFC is better than Benitez. So Rafa had a 'plan' and Bruce doesn't. Well it mustn't have been much of a plan if it ended up with a record worse than Bruce's. Its interesting you mention Saint Maximum - I suggest Rafa wouldn't have touched him with a barge pole concerning himself more with what he cant do rather than what he can. You can point to rubbish signings by Bruce but it weakens your argument further because Bruce with all of these rubbish signings still has a better record than the last fella.

Any criticism of Bruce by NUFC fans such as yourself is absolutely fair enough, what is mental though is praising to the sky the performance of the previous manager who had a worse record just because he was a stellar name - its crackers man :lol:
I'm not a Newcastle fan.

You realise Sunderland were in that relegation battle and had the likes of Defoe, Mvila, Kirchoff, Kaboul, Van Aanholt?

See that's just it though, Bruce isn't a bog standard manager. He's got one of if not the worst record of managers with his level of experience. He's not a Premier League manager. It's also why I keep telling you (but you keep ignoring) that direct comparisons are pointless.

Bruce's three most expensive signings are Joelinton, Wilson, and Saint-Maximin (or Saint-Maximum as you call him :lol:). That's £75m worth of player. Benitez's three biggest signings were Almiron, Ritchie/Gayle and Murphy. All bar Almiron were good Championship players to ok Premier League players. Ashley has given Bruce what he wants - English players or British based players.

Either he takes responsibility for Joelitnon and gets praise for Saint-Maximin or he's got no involvement at all. You can't pick and choose.

They also both had Newcastle at different times. Benitez had to overhaul a squad, get them promoted at the first-team of asking, then stabalise them with next to no money to spend. Bruce inherited a settled club and hasn't taken them any further in the league. Even in the cups, he's beaten exclusively lower-league clubs. He's not beaten a single Premier League club. :lol:

I'm not even praising Benitez as some harbinger of glorious football (they had moments), I'm simply saying that comparing the two as managers is an insult. If you're so sure what Bruce's plan is, tell me what it is.
 
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