Takeover News/Rumours - Part 42

[Sea to Shining Sea]

English or Scandinavian is the only hint we've got. So you can rule out Rangnick, Wenger and some of the other more fanciful names. Schwarz is getting name checked, but I suspect that's more because he's an ex-player here.

Schwarz is more than being name checked because he’s a former player

 

[The Cabbage]

definitely. No chance I’m getting carried away this time. However I don’t think their wild speculation is any good. Just stating stuff without anything to really back it up apart from “sources tell us”. The lads on 606 have consistently been right so I’d lean towards listening to them over journos at the moment.

however they should be writing and asking the right questions surrounding structure, ethos and how they are going to achieve their long term goals and implement their philosophy. Those are the questions that should of been asked the last time and all the way through to this point but never were. It was all pink seats and shite.

Given it was purported to be a takeover that at times involved local people, Rybodolev and Fuhrman, our itks haven’t an unimpeachable record of accuracy either. Not a judgement on the people at all, more that there is a lot of info floating around and dots aren’t always joined accurately. At this stage I’m feeling positive but wholly unwilling to rule anything out. After all we’ve been in this sort of position before.

 

[Ashley In!!]

Dismissal of negatives or contradictory articles in the press as a Mag agenda is ridiculous paranoia. Obviously we hope they aren’t right but haway lads. Have we not learned to keep our powder dry a bit and be a bit cautious?

Yep. Parky gone is a good start, happy to let it play out from here and wait to be pleased or disappointed when whatever happens actually happens.

 

[Nelson!]

That relationship is going to be pretty key, but you would guess they have been involved in the decision and Poyet knows what he is coming in to now.
That scenario is always likely to happen in this structure I guess, still pretty sure Poyet signed a fair few that he knew as well, Bridcutt, Buckley, Vergini, Coates off the top of my head.

he did get those but he asked for Ki, Borini and Alonso.

 

[sksk3021]

Depends on the structure. If Sartori moves his shares into a new vehicle co-owned by he and Sartori, which could then be joined by other consortium members later as and when EFL clearance is gained, then that vehicle owns 80%, and it's clearly a takeover. K L-D and/or his advisors will be smart enough not to acquiesce in a deal which results in commitments without clout. People underestimate the extent to which both CM and JS seem to be distancing themselves from Donald. It's more likely they'll be siding with K L-D. Donald has no interest in being involved in the club at all. He just wants to hang on to enough to hope for a bigger payday later.

But JS or his advisors weren’t smart enough to avoid a deal which resulted in commitments without clout?

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

definitely. No chance I’m getting carried away this time. However I don’t think their wild speculation is any good. Just stating stuff without anything to really back it up apart from “sources tell us”. The lads on 606 have consistently been right so I’d lean towards listening to them over journos at the moment.

however they should be writing and asking the right questions surrounding structure, ethos and how they are going to achieve their long term goals and implement their philosophy. Those are the questions that should of been asked the last time and all the way through to this point but never were. It was all pink seats and shite.

Given that both Sartori and Louis-Dreyfus are not currently in the UK, and would presumably need to quarantine for 14 days on arrival, the scope for detailed questioning is limited. In any event, I wouldn't expect the same kind of running commentary we got from Donald. We'll have to judge on actions, not words.

 

[Scotlands number 9]

Given it was purported to be a takeover that at times involved local people, Rybodolev and Fuhrman, our itks haven’t an unimpeachable record of accuracy either. Not a judgement on the people at all, more that there is a lot of info floating around and dots aren’t always joined accurately. At this stage I’m feeling positive but wholly unwilling to rule anything out. After all we’ve been in this sort of position before.

ah I totally agree, there’s been a lot of inaccuracies definitely but the past couple weeks with regards to dates or timescales they’ve been quite accurate in my opinion. But yeah we’ve been here before so everyone’s got their guard up one way or the other and waiting for results this time and want to see action. Not hanging off a podcast or a line similar to “piss taking party stops here”

 

[sksk3021]

he did get those but he asked for Ki, Borini and Alonso.

That was kind of my point, it’s hard to judge these type of things, it’s one of the issues with this system.
Poyet criticises Congerton for not bringing in players he wanted, when he did get some of his own and they were crap.
I wonder what the Congerton view on it all would be.
Could easily take a while for this to all work out.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

But JS or his advisors weren’t smart enough to avoid a deal which resulted in commitments without clout?

There was no indication that he wanted clout at that time. I think the use of the £5m he's put in has revealed that error.

 

[Scotlands number 9]

Given that both Sartori and Louis-Dreyfus are not currently in the UK, and would presumably need to quarantine for 14 days on arrival, the scope for detailed questioning is limited. In any event, I wouldn't expect the same kind of running commentary we got from Donald. We'll have to judge on actions, not words.

that’s how it should be too, judge on results and actions. It should be made clear as a fan base too that’s how it’ll be. No podcasts or interviews on the radio, just get to work and show us some tangible evidence they are taking us somewhere

 

[The Cabbage]

Personally I'm more disappointed with some of the stories in the locals and on the rumour mill today just capitalising on hearsay and clickbait. There's a real opportunity this week for us all - fans, forums, blogs, the media - to have a serious discussion about the direction that the club needs to take from here. Hopefully now the leading contenders have been established, we can start thinking collectively about where we go.

Firstly, I think it's safe to assume that whilst some of the stories today suggest that the decision to sack Parky and find a successor has been led by those currently at the club, that's probably not strictly true. The incoming Sporting Director will have a say, you'd imagine, but they can't paint that picture publicly as it doesn't reflect well upon them if someone who doesn't even own the club yet is having a say in the sacking of the current first team coach.

I think something similar occurred when Chris Coleman was here, and he was sacked right before Donald took the reins. I'm fairly sure Coleman went on to sue the club for unfair dismissal, though not sure if he was successful. Regardless, you'd imagine that they'll be keen to avoid that happening again.

Personally, I hope we get all of this information at once - the ownership, new leadership structure, the appointment of new key staff, the appointment of the manager, and some very clear communication on where we go from here. What's the plan, what do we hope to achieve, where will the investment go, what do we want Sunderland to be, what's the plan for the short, medium and long term future? They don't have to do this, but I believe this new regime would benefit immensely from being very clear on all of that from day one. We need something to judge them on, the manager on, the Sporting Director on, and so on and so forth.

Whoever is appointed should demonstrate they're able to embrace data and analytics, have a clear philosophy on youth development, a defined style of playing, a willingness to work with a Sporting Director (obviously), and importantly, they need to be someone the fans can buy into. That is important. Big characters thrive at Sunderland and I feel we can't afford to hire someone who fails to light a spark under the entire club from the minute they set foot in the door.

Getting promoted is so vitally important, but I don't want the bigger picture to be missed here. Not only do Sunderland need to get promoted, but we need to do it with an organisational structure that is solid, and with proper footballing people making the decisions for the football side of the club. Integrated into all of that is increasing our scouting network, focusing on recruiting young players with resale value (as opposed to the tried and tested method that has failed us for so many years) and, quite simply, for the first time in our history we need to embrace the fact we have a category one academy. Become academy centric! Make that place the basis for everything we do.

I'm rambling but I so desperately want to see my vision for my club play out before us, because now feels like a better time than ever to stamp our mark and become a proper, well-run football club.

The best time was two years ago when Dopey Donald turned up but yeah. That’s where we need to go. And it’s up to all of us - bit just the local press but absolutely the fanbase too - to hold any prospective new owners to account.

 

[sksk3021]

There was no indication that he wanted clout at that time. I think the use of the £5m he's put in has revealed that error.

Is there an indication KLD wants clout?

 

[elder]

Not seen much today have we got the press saying the current people are conducting the search and the ITKs are saying it's the new people?

and some are saying the current people are the new people....

 

[Nelson!]

That was kind of my point, it’s hard to judge these type of things, it’s one of the issues with this system.
Poyet criticises Congerton for not bringing in players he wanted, when he did get some of his own and they were crap.
I wonder what the Congerton view on it all would be.
Could easily take a while for this to all work out.

yeah, of course everyone will have their own perspective on why it didn’t work and I would r expect any of them to say “it was my fault”. Agree it’s a hazard of the system too.

It was my belief at the time that Poyet was given his own if they were cheap, but on the big signings LC was choosing for him. He said they paid for Rodwell what Ki would have cost even though he knew Ki and Ki knew the system/area/players.

the podcast is worth a listen, gave some good insight as to why it didn’t work even if a bit one sided. The good thing is (if it is him) he knows why it didn’t work and can put it right.

 

[Johnnyh]

more than likely will be Poyet is the consensus.

I’d guess he has the job unless they discover something in the interview process they don’t like. I have a suspicion he’s known he had it for weeks based on his podcast appearances.

The fact he wouldn’t respond when contacted by Nick Barnes talk sport could be that he’s in discussions with the new owners.If he wasn’t surely he would just say he hadn’t been contacted.

 

[Grumpy Old Man]

Is there an indication KLD wants clout?

Family background, This is a family that's used to owning things. Sartori had the distraction of trying to be President - this lad has nothing else to do. This is his proving ground to see if he's his father's son.

 

[Nelson!]

The fact he wouldn’t respond when contacted by Nick Barnes talk sport could be that he’s in discussions with the new owners.If he wasn’t surely he would just say he hadn’t been contacted.

i thought that too: if he isn’t already talking then either “I’m very interested/I’m not interested” is a straight forward interview.

 

[Steeeeed]

Given it was purported to be a takeover that at times involved local people, Rybodolev and Fuhrman, our itks haven’t an unimpeachable record of accuracy either. Not a judgement on the people at all, more that there is a lot of info floating around and dots aren’t always joined accurately. At this stage I’m feeling positive but wholly unwilling to rule anything out. After all we’ve been in this sort of position before.

Must admit that curiosity led me to have a peak in at the other forum earlier today. I found it quite odd in general, but the fella who gave all that detail in share splits, fuhrman and the Russian was still speaking with authority on all manner of things and not one person challenged him. I wonder how he talked himself out of that one. He'd never show his face around here again

 

[KittenMittens]

Have managed to tune this out all day- we had any further info or hints about when we can expect an announcement?

 

[oddbod]

Depends on the structure. If Sartori moves his shares into a new vehicle co-owned by he and Sartori, which could then be joined by other consortium members later as and when EFL clearance is gained, then that vehicle owns 80%, and it's clearly a takeover. K L-D and/or his advisors will be smart enough not to acquiesce in a deal which results in commitments without clout. People underestimate the extent to which both CM and JS seem to be distancing themselves from Donald. It's more likely they'll be siding with K L-D. Donald has no interest in being involved in the club at all. He just wants to hang on to enough to hope for a bigger payday later.

The new folk must know that charlie is hated by a significant number of supporters and wont change that view no matter how good the takeover becomes.We are a proud group of folk in the north east and there is no way back for charlie nomatter how he tries to spin the narrative.The takeover will be tarnished if charlie is still involved and my faith in the new group will be broken if they either don't see this or more worryingly don't care.