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Twisted said:
Im just trying to look at it through the eyes of a rival county.

It's been a make or break year for Burnham for the last few hasn't it?
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Not in my view, perhaps for others.

This season would’ve been important, but I don’t think it’s fair to judge anyone on the bastardised format we had this year which is a point I’ve made all summer. Burnham has a year left on his current deal, next season is massive for him in terms of his career.
 
Never understand why people get so attached to official overseas pros. The days of top draw players having a county they return to each summer have long since gone.
As far as Bancroft is concerned Iam sure Australia come first then Western Australia then the Scorchers then probably us. If he does well for the Scorchers and an IPL contract is up for grabs he will probably take that before returning to Durham as well.
If it is good for all parties then he may well return but if he doesn't then there are always other players who will be available. They are only short term one season at a time signings these days.
 
Steak Pie said:
Yeah. The same one who is set to open for WA in their Shield season opener next week, who is in the Perth Scorchers Big Bash squad, and is available for an international team where one of their openers (Warner) has hinted he might retire due to Covid.

The very same.
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Yea. There's an argument to not having a top class overseas - because they'll keep taking off to do something else. Get a not quite top class one.
 
brandon said:
Not in my view, perhaps for others.

This season would’ve been important, but I don’t think it’s fair to judge anyone on the bastardised format we had this year which is a point I’ve made all summer. Burnham has a year left on his current deal, next season is massive for him in terms of his career.
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to be honest i'm sick of hearing about him and his amazing potential. he's had more failed drug tests than good knocks in his durham career and whilst needs must leads to you being right i'd call it more like last chance saloon than make or break. and that's only due to his contract and covid this year otherwise i'd have given him the axe well before now
 
Twisted said:
to be honest i'm sick of hearing about him and his amazing potential. he's had more failed drug tests than good knocks in his durham career and whilst needs must leads to you being right i'd call it more like last chance saloon than make or break. and that's only due to his contract and covid this year otherwise i'd have given him the axe well before now
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Call me a pedant, but he’s had a few decent knocks, but only two failed tests ;).

Oh and ‘last chance saloon’ is the same as ‘make or break’ isn’t it?!! :lol:
 
brandon said:
Call me a pedant, but he’s had a few decent knocks, but only two failed tests ;).

Oh and ‘last chance saloon’ is the same as ‘make or break’ isn’t it?!! :lol:
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i can think of two decent knocks (actually i can only remember one but im sure he's had two) and the third failed test is what lead to the ban no?

make or break sounds more generous to me. last chance saloon suggests he really doesn't deserve another chance and the reason he is there is entirely of his own doing, but i guess it's just semantics
 
brandon said:
That wasn’t my top 6 though, which you’ve conveniently ignored - just like you ignored the fact our bowling attack (with the sole exception of Salisbury) are all from Sunderland.
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It’s not just about local talent though, it’s opportunities for the next generation of it. There’s not enough
 
GordonMuchallNo1Fan said:
bring back muchall
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surely it's karl turner's time to shine?
NorthCountryBoy said:
It’s not just about local talent though, it’s opportunities for the next generation of it. There’s not enough
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it's also a matter of putting local talent in a position to make something of that talent, rather than just the opportunity to play games in a team that's getting hammered every week
 
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Twisted said:
i can think of two decent knocks (actually i can only remember one but im sure he's had two) and the third failed test is what lead to the ban no?

make or break sounds more generous to me. last chance saloon suggests he really doesn't deserve another chance and the reason he is there is entirely of his own doing, but i guess it's just semantics
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I thought it was two failures, but it’s not a hill I’m prepared to die on.

Ton at Surrey, match-winning 80-odd against Derbyshire bowlers Yasir Shah and Qadri on a Day 4 turning pitch. Then a knock last year of 70 odd which took the game away from Leicestershire.

3-2 to me ;)
 
brandon said:
I thought it was two failures, but it’s not a hill I’m prepared to die on.

Ton at Surrey, match-winning 80-odd against Derbyshire bowlers Yasir Shah and Qadri on a Day 4 turning pitch. Then a knock last year of 70 odd which took the game away from Leicestershire.

3-2 to me ;)
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Cricinfo said:
his career suffered a considerable setback in 2017, when he tested positive for a third time for recreational drugs
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averages 25 with the bat, 1 ton in 72 first class innings. absolutely shocking
 
brandon said:
That wasn’t the impression I got at all. The way I remember it, Dickson was signed right at the start of the ‘resumption’ and the club cited it as a long-term signing very much with a view for the future (2021 onwards), as I understand it he’s only been ‘on-loan’ this year.

Whereas with Borthwick it seemed to happen very quickly and I felt like it was all very opportunistic in that either he decided he’d had enough of London or that Surrey had given him a nudge of sorts in that he’s not part of their immediate plans.
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Borthwick wasn’t signed quickly. Deal was agreed weeks ago. Just Durham didn’t want to publicise it.
 
brandon said:
That wasn’t up for debate - you claimed he’d failed more drug tests than had decent knocks :p
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To be fair I assumed I was exaggerating. And apparently I was, it was 3 of each.

3 times as many drug fails as centuries for a player supposed to be the next big thing 4 years ago.
 
NorthCountryBoy said:
Shit about Steel. And couldn’t Bell have been given a proper go?
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I mean him and short were an excellent opening pair.

One of the best in the country and Franklin and rimmington had him batting 6-8 bowling more than he did batting. Cannot blame him.

As much as we seem to be a county who wants to win the championship. White ball should really be piss easy to get a good team out of.

Red ball has been shown across the world for a decade to be harder to flourish in.
brandon said:
I didn’t say they were, but often you never quite know how good someone is going to be until you try them. Bedingham and Berhardien DO have international experience though - so I’m not sure who you’re referring to.

As an example - Yorkshire put Lees on the scrapheap, yet we’ve given him a fresh start and he’s absolutely thrived for us. The lads I mentioned, the jury is still out, but I saw plenty from Bedingham to suggest he’ll be a valuable asset to us next season.

It isn’t a case of either/or. Steel was offered a contract - but he chose to leave.

I’m more than satisfied that those tasked with judging our talent have decided that it’s not worth breaking the bank in the current climate for a white ball specialist.

In the case of Steel, I’m afraid you’re wrong, we haven’t opted for ‘journeyman talent’ over a local lad.
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Don't get how Dickson or Cameron Steel are worth keeping over Scott.

T20 worth more than winning championship and the latter more effective in white ball than either have been for Durham
brandon said:
Played for U19 and SA Colts.


Leicestershire.

All the very best to him.
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A T20 obsessed county tells you plenty.
I barely watch T20 but moronic if the county to let a homegrown white ball talent leave. When our best white ball batsman were less and Raine. Neither of which would get into any of the best sides in the county scene.
brandon said:
No I don’t want you to agree, you’re attacking the club for something that I don’t believe is true, so I’m defending their position.

I keep asking you to name the kolpaks that you’re so offended by, but you don’t seem to want to do that.

Nor will you name the local lads who you’re suggesting are being overlooked for foreigners. Why not?

You’ve made the argument you don’t want foreigners unless they’re a ‘class above’, which is actually something I strongly agree with, that’s what the club is all about - that’s a big part of what Don Robson’s vision was all along.

So let’s discuss which players you believe are or are not a class above their local counterparts.

We can also discuss the level of ‘class’ you speak of, because actually, I’m quite willing to stick my neck out on this one and suggest that the squad we’ve got compiled now, entering the 2021 cricketing summer is good enough to get promotion. I actually felt we had a decent chance this year, before the unforeseen circumstances of Covid-19 came along.

In terms of squad strength, if we weren’t to bring in another player (but secured the services of Bancroft), we’d have a top 6 of:

Lees
Bancroft
Borthwick
Bedingham
Harte
Burnham

I don’t think there are many sides in Division Two who can rival that, honestly. There aren’t many I’d be swapping put it that way.

Bowling wise, can many counties compete with:

Rushworth
Carse
Raine
Coughlin

?

With lads like Potts and Salisbury for rotation.
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Great red ball side who we playing in white ball?

Short term attitude when white ball still likely to have more games next season.
mackembhoy said:
I mean him and short were an excellent opening pair.

One of the best in the country and Franklin and rimmington had him batting 6-8 bowling more than he did batting. Cannot blame him.

As much as we seem to be a county who wants to win the championship. White ball should really be piss easy to get a good team out of.

Red ball has been shown across the world for a decade to be harder to flourish in.

Don't get how Dickson or Cameron Steel are worth keeping over Scott.

T20 worth more than winning championship and the latter more effective in white ball than either have been for Durham

A T20 obsessed county tells you plenty.
I barely watch T20 but moronic if the county to let a homegrown white ball talent leave. When our best white ball batsman were less and Raine. Neither of which would get into any of the best sides in the county scene.

Great red ball side who we playing in white ball?

Short term attitude when white ball still likely to have more games next season.

Can't see division cricket coming back next season
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