Durham New Contracts

[brandon]

Yeah absolutely, for the level we are talking about, no point signing 3 kolpaks who improve us by 1 place in the table.

either lads who are a step above in class, or don't bother.

You don't agree, its fine, let it go. Not sure why you have posted 10 replies saying the same thing like.

I am not asking for your opinion. let it go.

good night.

It’s a forum for discussion, I’ve posted the same thing because it isn’t sinking in.

I can’t understand the mentality at all of someone who’d rather their team be shite, aslong as its local shite.

Your analogy doesn’t make sense either, nor is it even true. I’ve asked you to name who you’re referencing but you seemingly don’t want to. Why not?

The team that played the majority of our red ball games this season had (IIRC) 2 kolpaks in - one of them proved to be one of our most capable batsmen. Granted, the other one was shite, but it’s been quite extensively explained by a couple of people why he was signed and the club couldn’t have forseen the circumstances which led to such poor performance. What’s more, there was no realistic local alternative anyway.

 

[The Rat]

It’s a forum for discussion, I’ve posted the same thing because it isn’t sinking in.

I can’t understand the mentality at all of someone who’d rather their team be shite, aslong as its local shite.

Your analogy doesn’t make sense either, nor is it even true. I’ve asked you to name who you’re referencing but you seemingly don’t want to. Why not?

The team that played the majority of our red ball games this season had (IIRC) 2 kolpaks in - one of them proved to be one of our most capable batsmen. Granted, the other one was shite, but it’s been quite extensively explained by a couple of people why he was signed and the club couldn’t have forseen the circumstances which led to such poor performance. What’s more, there was no realistic local alternative anyway.

What sinking in? I don't agree, its not about sinking in marra.

You just keep repeating your opinion and want me to agree, I don't, simple as that.

You've made your view known, its a valid one, move on.

 

[brandon]

What sinking in? I don't agree, its not about sinking in marra.

You just keep repeating your opinion and want me to agree, I don't, simple as that.

You've made your view known, its a valid one, move on.

No I don’t want you to agree, you’re attacking the club for something that I don’t believe is true, so I’m defending their position.

I keep asking you to name the kolpaks that you’re so offended by, but you don’t seem to want to do that.

Nor will you name the local lads who you’re suggesting are being overlooked for foreigners. Why not?

You’ve made the argument you don’t want foreigners unless they’re a ‘class above’, which is actually something I strongly agree with, that’s what the club is all about - that’s a big part of what Don Robson’s vision was all along.

So let’s discuss which players you believe are or are not a class above their local counterparts.

We can also discuss the level of ‘class’ you speak of, because actually, I’m quite willing to stick my neck out on this one and suggest that the squad we’ve got compiled now, entering the 2021 cricketing summer is good enough to get promotion. I actually felt we had a decent chance this year, before the unforeseen circumstances of Covid-19 came along.

In terms of squad strength, if we weren’t to bring in another player (but secured the services of Bancroft), we’d have a top 6 of:

Lees
Bancroft
Borthwick
Bedingham
Harte
Burnham

I don’t think there are many sides in Division Two who can rival that, honestly. There aren’t many I’d be swapping put it that way.

Bowling wise, can many counties compete with:

Rushworth
Carse
Raine
Coughlin

?

With lads like Potts and Salisbury for rotation.

 

[Twisted]

In terms of squad strength, if we weren’t to bring in another player (but secured the services of Bancroft), we’d have a top 6 of:

Lees
Bancroft
Borthwick
Bedingham
Harte
Burnham

I don’t think there are many sides in Division Two who can rival that, honestly. There aren’t many I’d be swapping put it that way.

Bowling wise, can many counties compete with:

Rushworth
Carse
Raine
Coughlin

?

With lads like Potts and Salisbury for rotation.

fair bit of home bias there like. lees is good, bancroft sounds far from a done deal. borthwick i back to return to form but he hasn't been great at surrey for a few years. harte is still not really much better than average and burnham has yet to convince me he is going to be a professional cricketer much longer. i'd argue he's got alot more of a career than he has deserved so far.

as for the bowling nobody can argue with rushy, raine is a good cricketer but carse and especially coughlin didn't have great seasons and neither have really been fit long enough to prove they are more than just potential.

whilst i'm eternally optimistic about DCCC i don't think many other counties will be having sleepless nights about playing us so talk of putting out sides no other county can rival is pretty premature imo

 

[The Rat]

No I don’t want you to agree, you’re attacking the club for something that I don’t believe is true, so I’m defending their position.

I keep asking you to name the kolpaks that you’re so offended by, but you don’t seem to want to do that.

Nor will you name the local lads who you’re suggesting are being overlooked for foreigners. Why not?

You’ve made the argument you don’t want foreigners unless they’re a ‘class above’, which is actually something I strongly agree with, that’s what the club is all about - that’s a big part of what Don Robson’s vision was all along.

So let’s discuss which players you believe are or are not a class above their local counterparts.

We can also discuss the level of ‘class’ you speak of, because actually, I’m quite willing to stick my neck out on this one and suggest that the squad we’ve got compiled now, entering the 2021 cricketing summer is good enough to get promotion. I actually felt we had a decent chance this year, before the unforeseen circumstances of Covid-19 came along.

In terms of squad strength, if we weren’t to bring in another player (but secured the services of Bancroft), we’d have a top 6 of:

Lees
Bancroft
Borthwick
Bedingham
Harte
Burnham

I don’t think there are many sides in Division Two who can rival that, honestly. There aren’t many I’d be swapping put it that way.

Bowling wise, can many counties compete with:

Rushworth
Carse
Raine
Coughlin

?

With lads like Potts and Salisbury for rotation.

Attacking the club?

Give over no I’m not

I’m not reading anymore of this like, it’s mad

 

[Parkside]

There's a zoom forum next Thursday where members are invited to submit beforehand their questions or concerns. Marty will submit any concerns to management,presumably to North with regarding player recruitment.
Behardien will also be returning presumably,he signed a 2 year deal, so a top six will likely be initially
Bancroft
Lees
Borthwick
Bedingham
Behardien
Harte.
That's strong but not "local",hopefully only a stopgap measure.

 

[The Rat]

There's a zoom forum next Thursday where members are invited to submit beforehand their questions or concerns. Marty will submit any concerns to management,presumably to North with regarding player recruitment.
Behardien will also be returning presumably,he signed a 2 year deal, so a top six will likely be initially
Bancroft
Lees
Borthwick
Bedingham
Behardien
Harte.
That's strong but not "local",hopefully only a stopgap measure.

5 out of the top 6 from outside the area

this is what my point was @brandon

You disagree with me fine, but this is all I was highlighting. Its not the Durham I want to see personally,

You were going on like we didn't have any

I'd like to know the reasons for Steel leaving and if this was a reason for it, Id much rather him get a few years in the middle order than couple of these, even if he turned out to be total shite, we then move on to the next local talent

for me that is what Durham is

 

[brandon]

Attacking the club?

Give over no I’m not

I’m not reading anymore of this like, it’s mad

You’re bemoaning the ‘lack’ of opportunities for locals over foreigners, I’d call that attacking the club.

Poor that you can’t add anything whatsoever to backup your claim.

 

[The Rat]

You’re bemoaning the ‘lack’ of opportunities for locals over foreigners, I’d call that attacking the club.

Poor that you can’t add anything whatsoever to backup your claim.

No its not , so any time raising concerns of what I want to see is "attacking" the club, get real man.

The post above by Parkside proves my point 100%

No idea what your problem is to be honest, trying to score points as a bigger Durham fan or someit. good luck to you.

 

[brandon]

5 out of the top 6 from outside the area

this is what my point was @brandon

You disagree with me fine, but this is all I was highlighting. Its not the Durham I want to see personally,

You were going on like we didn't have any

I'd like to know the reasons for Steel leaving and if this was a reason for it, Id much rather him get a few years in the middle order than couple of these, even if he turned out to be total shite, we then move on to the next local talent

for me that is what Durham is

That wasn’t my top 6 though, which you’ve conveniently ignored - just like you ignored the fact our bowling attack (with the sole exception of Salisbury) are all from Sunderland.

 

[The Rat]

That wasn’t my top 6 though, which you’ve conveniently ignored - just like you ignored the fact our bowling attack (with the sole exception of Salisbury) are all from Sunderland.

Since when did Scott Steel open our bowling?

 

[brandon]

No its not , so any time raising concerns of what I want to see is "attacking" the club, get real man.

The post above by Parkside proves my point 100%

No idea what your problem is to be honest, trying to score points as a bigger Durham fan or someit. good luck to you.

Nah, you’re miles off. I can be just as critical as anyone when I see fit - I just don’t think the club are guilty of getting that balance wrong at present.

 

[The Rat]

Nah, you’re miles off. I can be just as critical as anyone when I see fit - I just don’t think the club are guilty of getting that balance wrong at present.

Nah I'm not, you are



as simple as that

you can post anythin you want, excuses, say I am "attacking" the club, you won't change my mind on that at any point

I am Durham through and through, and I was born a 5 minute walk from the ground

I don't wan over half the team not from Durham or the north east, thats not a controversial point, its a fair one

you don't agree, fine, but stop making out I am saying somethung outrageous
I respect your opnion on Durham, and no problem with your view, but think you are being harsh on me here..

county cricket is a bout local players, that is why I love it so much

 

[brandon]

fair bit of home bias there like. lees is good, bancroft sounds far from a done deal. borthwick i back to return to form but he hasn't been great at surrey for a few years. harte is still not really much better than average and burnham has yet to convince me he is going to be a professional cricketer much longer. i'd argue he's got alot more of a career than he has deserved so far.

as for the bowling nobody can argue with rushy, raine is a good cricketer but carse and especially coughlin didn't have great seasons and neither have really been fit long enough to prove they are more than just potential.

whilst i'm eternally optimistic about DCCC i don't think many other counties will be having sleepless nights about playing us so talk of putting out sides no other county can rival is pretty premature imo

Yeah, fair point, but if I’m guilty of ‘home bias’ you’ve clearly gone to the far end of the other side.

Borthwick was playing Division One cricket, I fully expect an upturn in fortunes for him when he’s got to face Division Two bowling.

Harte has shown plenty of promise in the last 18 months to atleast deserve to be in the provisional starting picture and as for Burnham, it’s been argued elsewhere and it’s clear next year will be make or break for him because he has underachieved but I’m not prepared to give up on him yet - I prefer to look at what he’s done well and cling to the hope he’ll realise that potential.

With a stronger top 3, it stands to reason numbers 4-6 will stand a much better chance of success when they’re not coming in at 30-3 every week.

We’ll see.

I don't wan over half the team not from Durham or the north east, thats not a controversial point, its a fair one

Which is a fair point and one I’ll call out when it actually happens.

 

[The Rat]

Yeah, fair point, but if I’m guilty of ‘home bias’ you’ve clearly gone to the far end of the other side.

Borthwick was playing Division One cricket, I fully expect an upturn in fortunes for him when he’s got to face Division Two bowling.

Harte has shown plenty of promise in the last 18 months to atleast deserve to be in the provisional starting picture and as for Burnham, it’s been argued elsewhere and it’s clear next year will be make or break for him because he has underachieved but I’m not prepared to give up on him yet - I prefer to look at what he’s done well and cling to the hope he’ll realise that potential.

With a stronger top 3, it stands to reason numbers 4-6 will stand a much better chance of success when they’re not coming in at 30-3 every week.

We’ll see.


Which is a fair point and one I’ll call out when it actually happens.

fair enough, its heading that way anyway. went round in circles there for nae reason like.

 

[The Red Telephone]

Whispers of a recall to the national team.

Is this the same Cameron Bancroft who earlier this year was so woefully out of form that he was dropped by Western Australia and was set to play Grade Cricket before their season was curtailed?

Perhaps Durham are going to check his form when or if the new Aussie season starts before offering him a contract.

 

[Parkside]

Is this the same Cameron Bancroft who earlier this year was so woefully out of form that he was dropped by Western Australia and was set to play Grade Cricket before their season was curtailed?

Perhaps Durham are going to check his form when or if the new Aussie season starts before offering him a contract.

You could be right on the money there.
Forgot about that loss of form and explains Franklin's "lot of water to go under the bridge" comment to which he added "The Aussie season stats soon and we'll have to see what happens there".

 

[bumble2]

That wasn’t my top 6 though, which you’ve conveniently ignored - just like you ignored the fact our bowling attack (with the sole exception of Salisbury) are all from Sunderland.

And Salisbury is descended from a Sunderland family.

 

[Twisted]

Yeah, fair point, but if I’m guilty of ‘home bias’ you’ve clearly gone to the far end of the other side.

Borthwick was playing Division One cricket, I fully expect an upturn in fortunes for him when he’s got to face Division Two bowling.

Harte has shown plenty of promise in the last 18 months to atleast deserve to be in the provisional starting picture and as for Burnham, it’s been argued elsewhere and it’s clear next year will be make or break for him because he has underachieved but I’m not prepared to give up on him yet - I prefer to look at what he’s done well and cling to the hope he’ll realise that potential.

Im just trying to look at it through the eyes of a rival county.

It's been a make or break year for Burnham for the last few hasn't it?

 

[Steak Pie]

Is this the same Cameron Bancroft who earlier this year was so woefully out of form that he was dropped by Western Australia and was set to play Grade Cricket before their season was curtailed?

Perhaps Durham are going to check his form when or if the new Aussie season starts before offering him a contract.

Yeah. The same one who is set to open for WA in their Shield season opener next week, who is in the Perth Scorchers Big Bash squad, and is available for an international team where one of their openers (Warner) has hinted he might retire due to Covid.

The very same.